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Electric prototype could be a useable family car - if it went on sale
9 December 2009

What is it?

Ford has been working for some time on an electric Focus to trial with residents of north-west London. The Focus BEV (battery electric vehicle) is the first car to emerge from its Ultra-Low Carbon Development Vehicle programme, or ULCDV, as it's catchily known at the Dunton Technical Centre in Essex, where we drove this prototype.

What's it like?

Focus drivers will find much that they recognise in the interior of the BEV. The most obvious changes are the replacement of the rev counter with a red-green economy gauge, which shows the amount of power you're using or reclaiming as you brake, and the lack of a handbrake lever (an electric one is integrated into the auto-style gear selector). Despite appearances, the selector simply determines whether the motor is driving the front wheels and in which direction.

The most visible change is in the boot, which loses roughly half its volume to house three battery packs and the charging system. The remaining four packs are under the boot floor, in place of the fuel tank.

Ford has put much of its efforts into making the BEV as similar to a normal driving experience as possible. Step-off is smooth, and brisk if you floor it, while there's a small amount of creep in 'D', which aids low-speed manoeuvring.

The Mitsubishi iMiEV has a slightly more polished feel to the drivetrain, but the Focus undoubtedly has the edge in terms of ride and handling, which does much to disguise the extra 200kg at the rear of the car.

Shoudl I buy one?

Ford has no plans to put the BEV into production, but given a suitable urban environment and stop-start duty cycle, it's easy to see how this could be a very usable family car.

Ed Keohane


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11 December 2009

If a Focus Econetic costs £20k, how much will this cost? £30k?

And is it just me that finds it quite funny that they build a car designed to be environmentally friendly, then trim the whole interior in real leather? (& I am a meat eater btw, before anyone accuses me of being a militant vegan lol- it just strikes me as quite hypocritical)

11 December 2009

Presumably this Focus doesn't go very far then, or didn't they tell you this? To me the car's range is a little more important than its performance, or the finer points of its ride and handling. In short, this sounds like just another hopelessly impractical and expensive electric car... no wonder Ford has no plans to produce it!

11 December 2009

How does not make sense LP? Ford have just sunk £100's of millions into the EV cars which they have been doing for years (check out the highly successful EV Ford Ranger that is probablby about 10 years ago now).

The range of the cars is fanstastic, 100 miles, the little mitsubishi has a range of 100 miles and can be 80% recharged in 20 mins, the Nissan Leaf has a range of 100 miles and can be charged 80% in 15mins (3 phase) and 30 mins (single phase), the Tesla S has a range of 300 miles etc etc etc

The "well to wheel" means electric cars are over 67% better than petrol in terms of green house gases; what is not to like? Ford see this as hte future and with renewable energy used to charge them its fantastic!

If you need a car with more range, you can get a Chevy Volt.

What is worth noting is that the scheme that all these electric pilots are being completed is a Labour policy to assist the development of the countries infrastructure for electric cars etc and provide us with lots of jobs...i know i will probably be accused of being CapsLock...but I am not, nor am i North, or horse and Cart or scummy plumber.

but electric cars are coming and the 0% on electric cars is great, Renault are bringing out the electric vans, Nissan with the electric cars etc Tesla, Mits etc; its great and these things need to be supported as it means technology and it means jobs and it also fuels renewable energy development, investment, new tech. firms, jobs and installations.

well done Darling and well done Brown and well done to all manufacturers brave enough to bring through electric cars and be part of the pilots! - a big thank you to means lots of jobs!

11 December 2009

Doesn't seem that impractical. Importantly it's a real car, not some wobbly plastic thing. They'll make better packaging of the batteries in productions models and reclaim some of that boot space. My workplace is a 25 miles round trip and the nearest town is a 20 miles round trip, that's 75% of all my journies done with ease. Sounds great to me.

11 December 2009

[quote Widescreen]The range of the cars is fanstastic, 100 miles, the little mitsubishi has a range of 100 miles and can be 80% recharged in 20 mins, the Nissan Leaf has a range of 100 miles and can be charged 80% in 15mins (3 phase) and 30 mins (single phase), the Tesla S has a range of 300 miles etc etc etc [/quote]

That's just the problem. For most people a range of 100 miles (that's 50 miles away from home and back) just isn't practical - and under what conditions will it achieve this range? Presumably under the same conditions that a diesel one will achieve 70mpg, not when any of the performance is used.

Put it another way, who would buy a conventional car with a fuel tank capacity of less than 2 gallons, and which takes half an hour to fill?

Don't get me wrong, I think ordinary cars are much in need of improvement, I mean the internal combustion engine only has a thermal efficiency of about 25% and thus is only really good at producing hot air and noise.

I'd love to see a really viable electric car, but such is the rate of progress that I think hybrids are the best bet for the forseeable future. And much, much lighter conventional cars.

11 December 2009

Ed, whilst many are pointing out the range problem with battery power cars like this Ford are you aware that there are other huge drawbacks? like cold weather?

does this Ford milkfloat have lithium ion batteries? we already know that conventional lead-acid batteries suffer in cold temps. but apparently lithium ion packs are next to useless once the temp falls below 0 deg C.

worse than that, unless the boffins at Sanyo, Panasonic and so on have found some way, recharging Li ion batteries in freezing temps. could be life-endangering:

here's an interesting word of caution from the excellent Battery University website: It's hazardous to charge lithium-ion batteries at temperatures below freezing

At temperatures below 32°F – for example, when you leave your cell phone[Ford milkfloat] on the battery charger in your car[garage/outside wall] – the battery's anode picks up a metallic plating. The plating is non-reversible and cumulative, so after several sub-freezing charge cycles, the pack's safety is compromised: A sharp impact or an aggressive charge (typical of many of today's charging circuits) invites the infamous lithium-ion thermal runaway condition. Or, less dramatically, your cell phone battery[milkfloat] may simply stop working

the more one reads about these brave new world machines the more one is amazed by how wonderful everything will be in the future - so long as you don't have to drive too far and it's not too cold.

could you ask the Ford people how their milkfloats would perform on days like today - brass monkey weather?

11 December 2009

Lp; the research shows (as has been commented on in these forums..and I am sure someone can correct me if wrong) but the research was that the average commute was 25 miles; thus the vast majorit of people would easily fit within the range of the Nissan Leaf or the Miti.

Then other cars are coming out such as the Tesla S with a range of 300 miles...

Put it another way, if you commute to work and charge the car up at work; then you can have a commute round trip of 200 to 600 miles? i do not know of anyone that has a "car" commute of more than 30 miles; thus i do not see your point.

If you have longer to go, then you get Chevy Volt type car (when they are launched) or right now an ultra efficiency IC, noting that the ultra eff ICs are pretty much on to hybrid figures now, the next range in a couple of years will match hybrids with no batteries...hybrids cannot get much better than now...hybrids in smaller Mondeo size and below are dead..unlucky for Toyota and Honda!

As for the technology, as has been pointed out, the hybrids are rubbish unless you have a big SUV, the mild hybrid is better for small vehicles and the two true technologies are "range extender" (aka Chevy Volt) and electric cars.

let me ask you a different question, do you honestly think Nissan and Miti etc would have set the range at 100 miles if they knew everyone did 200 miles to work in one direction? answer is no.

as said, hybrid for SUV (or very large cars), mild hybrid (smaller vehicles) and realistically range extender and electric; simple as; hybrid technology in small cars is dead, Honda got it wrong as did Toyota; fact, you can tell me about all the Prius sales you want, but they still got the technology wrong; electric and range extender is the way to go.

11 December 2009

[quote Widescreen]hybrids cannot get much better than now...hybrids in smaller Mondeo size and below are dead..unlucky for Toyota and Honda![/quote] How do you work that one out then? The current range of hybrids for sale today use NiMH batteries, and put up with the limitations that places on charge and discharge rates, capacity and life. As LiIon and newer battery technology becomes available, we'll see improvements. Remember that a hybrid will benefit from improvements that come from either IC or battery technology, so either way they improve. You do also realise that the Volt is a hybrid and a similar size to the Prius? [quote Widescreen] hybrids are rubbish unless you have a big SUV[/quote] Again, how do you work that out? I'm assuming the measure of success with a hybrid is how economical it makes them. On that basis, the big SUV hybrids are rubbish because they are all pitiful in terms of economy compared to the smaller more car like hybrids.

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