One of the firm's partner feels London has missed out on an electric legacy
24 November 2009

A key player in the creation of London’s electric recharging network is “disappointed” with the 2012 Olympic organising committee’s decision not to substantially promote the use of electric vehicles at the games.

The London Organising Committee of the Olympic Games and Paralympic Games (LOCOG) told Autocar last week that it doubted the capital would have a suitable electric infrastructure in place in time for the games.

Nissan's Olympic frustration

Elektromotive, the British-based firm behind the installation of all of London’s more than 100 recharging points, has confirmed was involved in discussions with Renault-Nissan about creating a network in time for 2012.

It planned to install scores of recharging points in three key locations in London – one in central London and two near the Olympic village in the east end. The points were going to be used to recharge around 2000 Nissan Leaf electric cars, which were going to be part of the Alliance’s proposed Olympic fleet.

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“It’s a great shame,” Elektromotive’s UK managing director Calvey Taylor-Haw told Autocar. “It would have kickstarted the electric car market in the UK.”

Taylor-Haw believes BMW will deliver an incident-free games on the automotive front, but he questioned some of LOCOG’s comments regarding the feasibility of setting up an electric network.

“It would have been perfectly feasible to do that project by 2012,” he said. “Nissan were going to put an awful lot of cars into that project and they could have coped with the daily grind of the charging.”

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Taylor-Haw now feels the take-up and acceptance of electric cars in the UK will take longer.

“It will take longer now,” he said. “It could have been a really good legacy for making London a world leader in the field.”

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24 November 2009

-well look at that, a British company that would have employed lots of people and made us world leaders with great exportable knowledge and products and not just in the automotive sector.

-as well referenced, this was an opportunity missed by the Olympic committee and Lord Coe should resign; their can be no doubt he should go.

-its not a party political thing, he missed out on making the UK a world leader in a massively growing and technological sector that covers all from new technologically advanced vehicles to town planning and electricity distribution etc; if you made them smart metres you could use them as wireless networks (Wifi etc) - anything, scope is vast.

-Lord Coe needs to go! Lord Coe needs to go!

24 November 2009

Okay, a controversial view point here may be..... I'm glad Nissan didn't get it.

Electric cars are not the way of the future, especially in the UK at the moment. Currently we do not have enough generation capacity for the infrastructure, so we as a country end up purchasing electricity from abroad (often France). Currently, we as a country, also do not have a sensible future strategy for electricity generation.

Putting an rechargeable electric car infrastructure in place and promoting the electric car will only put further pressures on our generation capacity potentially causing black outs in other areas.

Add to that the "compromised" nature of the car and the current rate of development of the traditional combustion engine, they will end up being obsolete before too long courtesy of the fact that they will be dirtier than their competitors.

I genuinely believe that cars like the Chevrolet Volt show the way better than any pure electric car. hence why BMW gets my backing.



It's all about the twisties........

24 November 2009

-you are wrong for a number of reasons, take the CA (USA) TV comsumption ruling etc; if not sure check it out on the internet.

-you only have to look at the houses of the near future (watch some repeats of "grand designs") and you will see that the houses of the near future will actual give electricity back to the grid; plus all the new technology coming out inc. solar panels and other local generation; right now we have a blank canvass and sticking your head in the sand is not the way to go; you have to get on with it and Lord Coe missed that opportunity and as a reuslt many 1000's (literally) will be effected; 1000's of jobs and good jobs with good money.

-all appliances (see point one) will become more and more efficient and less power consuming and thus the issues that everyone talks about with the grid are rubbish; always have been; see points on houses (new style) and local generation etc.

-more and more power will be generated locally and by peoples homes, look at the adverts for the solar panels by Everest, 5 years ago solar panels were for people that had tie dye and now they are totally mainstream; thank you tie dye people! right on folks! well done!

-TegTypeR-the world is a changing place and the aspect of the grid assumes all other aspects stay still - they do not. I agree Chevy Volt type is a vast part of the future, but that future is massively shared with electric vehicles; the future is electric vehicles i.e. Nissan Leaf type and Chevy Volt range extender type and eventually just electric; some of the larger vehicles will be hybrids (or semi hybrids) until first the Chevy Volt catches them up and then electric cars catch them up.

- Lord Coe got it totally wrong, we should have had Nissan, Renault, EDF and the UK firm UK mentioned in this article.

-as said, Lord Coe must go, Lord Coe go must go! (he messed up and he should leave)

24 November 2009

Capslock, i think its safe to say we know your view on this now! So please stop bleeting on about it, especially in topics that have nothing to do with the Olymipics!

BMW simply paid more money! end of story, that is the entire point of sponcership!

I dont hear any Formula 1 teams saying "we shall take the option that pays us less, even though they do virtually the same thing!"

I personally think BMW will use the Olympics as a launch for their new city car, which will probably have some very efficent (far more relivent) technologies, perhaps similar to the chevy Volt, along with very very efficent 3 cylinder petrol hybrids.

Which will, most likely, be better for the environment that electricity generated at large centralised power stations, you are aware that per kWe electricity from the grid is about 30% efficent i assume! Not very green in my opinion!

24 November 2009

-i am not getting into the whole efficiency thing, but just as a first quick point on green, you are aware of the efficiency of a car? you are aware of the efficiency of fuel processing, tankers, tanker building, fuel for tanker processing, oil drilling, helicopters, planes (ferrying oil rig workers), fuel delivery, fuel station building, concrete provision, lighting and power for all garages etc - and so the list goes on - me thinks you do not have a clue (with all due respect).

-i understand BMW paid more, WE GET IT! but the point here is that the games was about legacy - it was the main feature of the bid; we the UK public have paid for the olympics and our profit comes from what teh games provide and then the revenues to companies from construction and the visitors etc.

-so your analogy is WRONG - its not like F1 at all; F1 needs to make a profit and earn money to survive, the Olympics do not.

-so here we are talking about an opportunity lost, an opportunity missed, something that would have give the UK the world lead in the field, put the UK on the right track in short given the UK the world lead in track and field.

-it would have given the UK 100000's of jobs and investment; so you talk about money, all that income tax, all the revenues from the export and import of goods and services, all the corporation tax, all that national insurance etc etc; all that makes the money BMW paid small by comparison.

-thus Vidge 123 your argument is flawed on all levels and you appear (with all due respect) to at best really not thought your response through.

-as said, Lord Coe must go! Lord Coe must go! (he made the wrong choice whichever way you paint it).

24 November 2009

The legacies of the 2012 Olympic Games will be;

1/ another ruddy great hole in our Nation's bank account

2/ several sporting venues in a bad part of London that will be woefully under-used

if in doubt - check out the Olympic legacies in Beijing, Athens and Sydney...

At least we now won't be saddled with several hundred recharging points for cannabis growers to run their hydroponic lighting sytems off ... ;o)

24 November 2009


I work as a technical engineer for one of the leading CHP (do you know what that is i wonder) manufactures in the UK, i am full aware of the costs of moving different fuels around. i could chuck the same question back at you how exactly do you think the fuels for the coal or gas fired power stations get there, magic?

My analogy is correct, they olympics may not be about turning a profit, but they still have to raise the budget in the first instance, from what i recall £550m of that has to come from sponcers, ie they still have a target they must hit.

Make the UK a world leader in a field that has no garentee what-so-ever of being the right field? Complete electric cars a too compromised to ever be considered as anything other than a city car, and for 99% of people this is not appropriate! If all you need is a car for use in the city, go by public transport or buy a scooter!

I am sorry Capslock, but i find your methods very very poor. Posting on this website "lord coe must go" over and over again is getting increadibly tiresome. Pehaps it is you that should go?

24 November 2009

CHP = Combined Heat and Power - a.k.a. cogeneration.

It is widely used around the world as an energy efficient way of using fuels to generate heat and power in. for example, district heating systems that generate electricity as well.

On a smaller scale we have Micro-CHPs - basically a Stirling engine stuck on top of a central heating boiler which can generate electricity using the heat from the boiler's flue gases.

24 November 2009

I'm guilty of switching sides here.

I originally thought it a shame that the UK were to miss out on this opportunity, however Teg's thoughtful comments have changed my mind.

Capslock has a rose-tinted view of future houses however. As nice as it would be for homes to generate power back into the grid, I suspect this won't happen on a scale anywhere near large enough for many years to come.

If we're looking for a more viable way forward, even for the short term, I'll go with Teg's view which BMW and their ED are perhaps more closely aligned with.

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