The two firms are set to extend recently agreed deal into sharing petrol, diesel and hybrid engines, according to Autocar sources
19 July 2019

The recently agreed alliance between Jaguar Land Rover and BMW is set to be extended to include internal combustion engines, a source with knowledge of recent high-level discussions between the two car makers has told Autocar.

The two firms initially agreed to work together on the development of electrified powertrains, but according to sources they have now agreed terms on what is described as a “more far-reaching deal involving petrol, diesel and hybridised drivelines” for a wide range of models.

According to Autocar’s sources, BMW is to supply Jaguar Land Rover with internal combustion engines, including in-line four- and six-cylinder units “both with and without electrically-assisted hybrid functions”.

The move is said to be aimed at allowing Jaguar Land Rover to reduce its on-going investment in petrol, diesel and hybrid drivelines and instead focus its research and development spending on the electric drivelines in partnership with BMW.  

For BMW the deal safeguards existing research and development, procurement and production operations by adding volume beyond its own brands, BMW, Mini and Rolls-Royce.

News of the internal combustion engine deal being forged by Jaguar Land Rover and BMW comes at a time when regulatory authorities in key global markets are raising emission standards with particular focus on CO2 and NOx levels to combat air pollution. Thus raising the level of spending required to engineer petrol, diesel and hybrid drivelines.  

By joining forces on both electric and internal combustion engine drivelines, Jaguar Land Rover and BMW hope to reap the rewards of increased economies of scale while sharing development costs to remain competitive.

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19 July 2019

Abandons its deal with Ford for perfectly decent engines, in the process helping to close the Bridgend Engine Plant, invests a large fortune into its own questionable engines, then abandons those in favour of BMW engines?

I’m not employing their management to organise a p**s up in my brewery.

Robbo

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20 July 2019
Aussierob wrote:

Abandons its deal with Ford for perfectly decent engines, in the process helping to close the Bridgend Engine Plant, invests a large fortune into its own questionable engines, then abandons those in favour of BMW engines?

I’m not employing their management to organise a p**s up in my brewery.

Robbo

 

To begin...have you compared the emissions of the Ford supplied petrol engines to the same from the Ingenium versions?. Why should JLR decide to buy these outdated more polluting units from Ford, to save the Welsh plant, producing said units. It is up to Ford to offer other makers up to date units and JLR are right to seek new opportunities to procure said units and work out a deal that progresses the future of both firms workforces, R&D funding and much more.

 

Up until this moment, did anyone else know that you employ people in a brewery producing motor vehicles?...perhaps that self propelled example is reason enough for JLR/BMW customers to be glad you are not in fact doing so.

20 July 2019
Takeitslowly wrote:

Aussierob wrote:

Abandons its deal with Ford for perfectly decent engines, in the process helping to close the Bridgend Engine Plant, invests a large fortune into its own questionable engines, then abandons those in favour of BMW engines?

I’m not employing their management to organise a p**s up in my brewery.

Robbo

 

To begin...have you compared the emissions of the Ford supplied petrol engines to the same from the Ingenium versions?. Why should JLR decide to buy these outdated more polluting units from Ford, to save the Welsh plant, producing said units. It is up to Ford to offer other makers up to date units and JLR are right to seek new opportunities to procure said units and work out a deal that progresses the future of both firms workforces, R&D funding and much more.

 

Up until this moment, did anyone else know that you employ people in a brewery producing motor vehicles?...perhaps that self propelled example is reason enough for JLR/BMW customers to be glad you are not in fact doing so.

And you think BMW units will be less poluting than Ford ones?! X-D (they aren't)

BMW have had massive engine reliability problems for years, though you might say that's a perfect fit for a massively unreliable automaker such as JLR - clearly JLR are desperate to make a deal such as this with BMW.

They have spent BILLIONS developing Ingenium engines, and are now abandoning them. They'll need to write off further billions to cover that.

And their powertrain staff - they've made cuts, but I'd be very worried if I were a Powertrain engineer still remaining at JLR right now!

22 July 2019
CarNut170 wrote:

Takeitslowly wrote:

Aussierob wrote:

Abandons its deal with Ford for perfectly decent engines, in the process helping to close the Bridgend Engine Plant, invests a large fortune into its own questionable engines, then abandons those in favour of BMW engines?

I’m not employing their management to organise a p**s up in my brewery.

Robbo

 

To begin...have you compared the emissions of the Ford supplied petrol engines to the same from the Ingenium versions?. Why should JLR decide to buy these outdated more polluting units from Ford, to save the Welsh plant, producing said units. It is up to Ford to offer other makers up to date units and JLR are right to seek new opportunities to procure said units and work out a deal that progresses the future of both firms workforces, R&D funding and much more.

 

Up until this moment, did anyone else know that you employ people in a brewery producing motor vehicles?...perhaps that self propelled example is reason enough for JLR/BMW customers to be glad you are not in fact doing so.

And you think BMW units will be less poluting than Ford ones?! X-D (they aren't)

BMW have had massive engine reliability problems for years, though you might say that's a perfect fit for a massively unreliable automaker such as JLR - clearly JLR are desperate to make a deal such as this with BMW.

They have spent BILLIONS developing Ingenium engines, and are now abandoning them. They'll need to write off further billions to cover that.

And their powertrain staff - they've made cuts, but I'd be very worried if I were a Powertrain engineer still remaining at JLR right now!

 

Not at all convinced and in any case, writing off money is something that all auto makers do, in greater or lesser amounts. Now read this quote..."Jaguar wins £500m loan guarantee from No 10 to build electric cars", this being given to further cement JLR future and with tie in alongside BMW, will provide a secure future for both brands and workforces.

jer

19 July 2019

There partnerships last about as long as the current management. I hope JLR struck a good supplier deal.

D-B

19 July 2019

That's not an 'alliance' or 'working together', that's JLR buying stuff from BMW. BMW gets improved economies of scale and JLR gets access to stuff it can't manage by itself.

20 July 2019
D-B wrote:

That's not an 'alliance' or 'working together', that's JLR buying stuff from BMW. BMW gets improved economies of scale and JLR gets access to stuff it can't manage by itself.

 

You don't believe your own worded example is a proper definition of either/both?. You might be kept back to repeat the year...

20 July 2019

The Investment is so vast in the Ingenium 3 4 and 6 cylinders ,I think this refers to Project Jennifer the v8 engine alliance 

20 July 2019

I know BMW has come last again in the latest dependability survey, (for those who have not read it: https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2019-uk-vehicle-dependability-study-0), but I think the relationship with BMW is a good one.  JLR needs a strong partnership to survice and, while I believe Volvo is the PERFECT partner for Land Rover, I am sure that JLR will benefit from this alliance. 

 

20 July 2019
Kamelo wrote:

I know BMW has come last again in the latest dependability survey, (for those who have not read it: https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2019-uk-vehicle-dependability-study-0), but I think the relationship with BMW is a good one.  JLR needs a strong partnership to survice and, while I believe Volvo is the PERFECT partner for Land Rover, I am sure that JLR will benefit from this alliance. 

 

The worst time for Land Rover's reliability, and arguably why it has such a bad reputation in the US, was when it was fitting the BMW engines to their cars.   BMW's are great when they're running but far too fragile.

 

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