What is it?
It’s a Land Rover Defender with a petrol V8 in it. Goody. Not from the factory, mind: it has been 20 years since a petrol V8 comprised part of Land Rover’s regular Defender line-up; 15 since one last officially appeared, in a 50th anniversary limited-edition. This, then, is Twisted Performance’s version of a V8 Defender, to be built in quantities of around a dozen a year.
Twisted, the fairly prolific modifier of Defenders (more than 100 new-builds a year, 150 upgrades through the workshop, and a lot more mail order besides) has found there’s natural demand from countries where they don’t much go for diesels. So here we are: at Twisted’s HQ in Thirsk, Yorskshire, about to sample a 520bhp V8 engine in what is – unmistakably – a Defender.
Our drive is of a development car. And Charlie Fawcett, Twisted’s MD, is preparing me for precisely that: there are squeaks and rattles, he says. The engine is highly tuned and might stall at idle, he says. It has a manual gearbox rather than the automatic it’ll later receive and its action isn’t particularly refined, he says. It’s a prototype, you see. But let’s have a drive, shall we? Yes, let’s.
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Ray60
You might want to change that
You might want to change that 130mpg estimate. I know it's sort of a Land Rover, but you don't have to lie about it that much.
Winston Churchill
Don't get me wrong......
.....patriot or no patriot, I wouldn't have one of these in a month of Sundays. Nor would I have a g or gl class (especially a g65 which, let's face it, is bought by Arabs - full of class!).
However, to say something's pointless when it can transport people and has a market really only reflects on the person making the comment. Patently, it is not pointless. Is not for me though.
Maxecat
Land Rover V8 Defender
I well remember a friend had the 110 county Defender V8 about 25 years ago although it only had the 3.5 litre V8 producing 90 hp it only returned about 14 mpg yet he drove over 35k miles per annum. Oh the joys of a company fuel card in those far off days, he could not have a Range Rover as his boss had one and it would not do to upset the company car park pecking order.
Winston Churchill
How much?!
Go to J E Engineering instead. Firstly they won't rip you off with their Zulu and secondly they're actually known for engineering rather than chips andupholstering. £140,000 my arse.
peterover
Unrealised potential.
Amazes me that Land Rover aren't doing this themselves as Mercedes are doing with their G Wagen. there is obviously a market for these kinds of cars, and the Defenders Pedegree wipes the floor with the Mercedes.
I cant help but feel that Land Rover do not understand and therefore will never meet the full potential of this USP by rising above the limitations of developing such a model.
Yes its a pain to build and has limitations, but look to Porsche with the 911 to see how the Defender could be developed to define Land Rover, a brand somewhat lost under the shadow of its Range Rover daughter.
Land Rover should be like a Storm watch, visably and actually strong, modern, but classicly modern.
The Defender is apparently like a jigsaw to build, therefore it should be easier to redesign the substructure, if necessary a bit at a time, to make it easier to build and to meet any safety/eviro legislation.
The Defender should evolve, I know it bucks the trend in an era of clean sheet design and new products every 4 years.
Take BMW with the Mini and Vw with the beetle, both style led cars with litte relationship to the their forebears and a diminising premium over their market competitors.
How much extra credibility would these cars have if the originals, extensively updated were still in production, even in limited production at a premium price?
Porsche on the other hand has contiually refined the 911, it remains an icon and in a league of its own.
Range Rover has done much the same, though the latest RR has pushed the boundaries in terms of styling.
This is what needs to happen with Defender.
Its an icon, people will always pay the extra premium for it.
Bobstardeluxe
peterover wrote:Amazes me
Not sure I agree with your comment wipe the floor with a G-Wagen. As far as I am aware the stadard non lowered/ perfromance version have as much off road ability as the Defender. The vehicle after all is now used by more of the worlds armies than the Defender( I believe the Aussie army have just ordered a new batch of G-wagens). I Live in Middle East and often go out into the desert dune buggying, we often see LR product stuck in the sand, never Land cruisers or G-wagens! Although these are mostly not Defenders..LR produtc focus is moving from core heritage of off-raod supremecy to on road focus. Which is a shame because they make some fantastic products these days, let hope they do not lose sight of as you say the heritage.
In relation to this particular vehicle , the Mercedes is built in house by AMG with a fanatstic engine and to be honest it looks a little better than the Twisted defender, in fact this one looks like a home conversion rather than he G-wagens factory premium quality. Would love autocar to do a actual full test of the G-class Vs the Defender. I am sure it would be close call in terms of ability off road and on road, just that the G-wagen would probably win on overall interior quility by miles and refienment also( if there is such a thing on these aging chassis).. but would love to see this comparison happen, wish Top Gear would do test on there show!
Ray60
Bobstardeluxe wrote: In
Exactly. The G65AMG looks like a quality bit of kit, while this Defender looks like a secondhand Land Rover that someone's tried to modify with a tiny budget.
Symanski
Utterly...
Utterly utterly utterly utterly utterly utterly utterly utterly utterly utterly utterly utterly utterly utterly utterly utterly utterly utterly utterly utterly utterly utterly utterly utterly utterly utterly utterly...
POINTLESS.
Buying this tells everybody that you've no style, not sense, no class.
The V8 County had that in spades.
GermanPower
Of course the customers don't
Of course the customers don't want a JLR sourced engine. They want a car that can reach their destination under its own power and not on the back of an AA lorry.
averageman
GermanPower wrote: Of course
Maybe they should also ask if they can fit a VW DSG gearbox and see how far that will get them!
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