Group could move into F1 from 2012
27 November 2009

The Volkswagen Group is considering entering Formula One from 2012 as an engine supplier.

The group's motorsport chief, Hans-Joachim Stuck, told Autosport that new engine regulations to be introduced to the sport aimed at cutting costs are making the sport more attractive for the firm.

VW was linked to buying into the Red Bull team a few years ago, but Stuck insisted any VW entry now would be as an engine supplier to multiple teams and not as a partner to a team in the same way Brawn has teamed up with Mercedes and BMW partnered Sauber.

"If you're the world's largest manufacturer it is natural that we're thinking about [F1], but not before 2012," he said. "We're looking for innovative things, and F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport. Two years ago there was some talk that Volkswagen was going to buy the Red Bull F1 team, which we didn't need to buy. Why should we stick with one team if we can give our engines to more teams?

"If you buy Red Bull and Adrian Newey wants to go flying or fishing, the team is not successful any more. Look at BMW. They bought this multi-million-dollar wind tunnel and a supercomputer and they now close the doors. Building an engine and providing it to a team is the best way."

VW considers F1 entry

The imminent expansion of the grid and the reduced costs of the sport have caught VW's eye, and the firm is not deterred by the pullouts of Honda, BMW and Toyota in the past 12 months.

"Now it's amazing; Formula One is going the right way," said Stuck. "Many manufacturers have already pulled out, and we don't know how long the others will keep going.

"They should become engine manufacturers and then lease the engine, sell the engine or give it to somebody. Then you lose all the hassle with teams, wind tunnels, engineers, you know. It's like Formula 1 in my days. We had March, we had Lotus, and we had Ford engines. Then Renault came in as an engine manufacturer, with a formidable engine. This was perfect.

"I followed Formula 1 for the last seven years with BMW and I always asked myself on the grid, with only 20 cars, what if we could have 30 cars? Now we're getting back to this. We have three more teams next year, 26 cars, and by having a global engine, which is good in cost and reliable, we can have 30 cars on the grid."

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27 November 2009

Finally, a car manufacturer talking sense about F1!

Let's hope they keep that focus and don't get blinded by ambition to buy their own team and repeat the same mistakes of Honda, Toyota, BMW, Jaguar, Spyker, Alfa Romeo, Renault (although at least they won back-to-back championships) et al.

R32

27 November 2009

As a VW owner I'd be thrilled if VW entered F1 as an engine supplier - seems like a sensible way of VW competing in F1 without most of the headaches that goes with a full-blown team.

Given that VW Group engineers created the W16 engine for the Veyron and the W12 engine for the Phaeton (now also found in the Bentley Continental series), who would bet against their engineers pulling an epic F1 engine out of the bag too?

27 November 2009

[quote R32]

Given that VW Group engineers created the W16 engine for the Veyron and the W12 engine for the Phaeton (now also found in the Bentley Continental series), who would bet against their engineers pulling an epic F1 engine out of the bag too?

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Doesn't VW still own Cosworth Engineering, or did they sell it on? Can't remember but you're right they do have the engineering expertise one way or another.

Myk

27 November 2009

Just as well that they're not going to build the whole car, otherwise they probably try to base it on the Golf platform...

27 November 2009

[quote Lee23404]

[quote R32]

Given that VW Group engineers created the W16 engine for the Veyron and the W12 engine for the Phaeton (now also found in the Bentley Continental series), who would bet against their engineers pulling an epic F1 engine out of the bag too?

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Doesn't VW still own Cosworth Engineering, or did they sell it on? Can't remember but you're right they do have the engineering expertise one way or another.

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you're right. VW sold Cosworth Technology to Mahle group of Germany in 2004. It's now part of Mahle Powertrain. Mahle Powertrain Ltd, Costin House, Northampton, are the boys behind much of McLaren's engine for the MP12-4C as I understand it.

27 November 2009

[quote Lee23404]Doesn't VW still own Cosworth Engineering, or did they sell it on? Can't remember but you're right they do have the engineering expertise one way or another.[/quote] No, they owned Cosworth Technology until end of 2004 and then sold it on to another German engineering company (Mahle?). I'm pretty sure that this was the side of the business that doesn't do the F1 engines... The engine side is, I think, owned by the guys who used to run the US CART series.

27 November 2009

I am an F1 fan and look forward to this.

But can someone remind me what the regulation changes are in 2012 as i get confused. In what way will engines be cheaper?

27 November 2009

[quote R32]Given that VW Group engineers created the W16 engine for the Veyron and the W12 engine for the Phaeton (now also found in the Bentley Continental series), who would bet against their engineers pulling an epic F1 engine out of the bag too?[/quote]

No doubting their engineering ingenuity. Very different challenge though, limited to the same capacity/cylinders/power etc as everybody else. Requires some outisde-the-box thinking if you want to slice off those hundredths.

27 November 2009

Yes Lee23404, but unfortunately you've still got the matter of a good car to put it in, and then finding top drivers, and even with their resources and a recession going on, 2012 seems a bit optomistic, don't you?

Peter Cavellini.

27 November 2009

It might say VW on the box, but will it be VW?

Or Porsche?

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