Electric and hydrogen car charging points to be installed
12 February 2010

The M4 is poised to have alternative energy refuelling points fitted along its route.

The scheme, which will run from London to Wales and will be extended to the Midlands, is aimed at making hydrogen and electric-powered vehicles a viable alternative to petrol-driven machines.

The plan is set to be announced later today, along with the announcement of the creation of Low Carbon Economic Areas (LCEA) in the UK, where the government will invest money in areas to promote greener transport.

In a separate initiative, business secretary Lord Mandelson has announced a £19 million LCEA package in the Midlands, which he says will help secure 10,000 jobs.

A £19 million funding package for developing low-carbon vehicles will help to secure 10,000 jobs in the Midlands car industry, said Lord Mandelson.

"I want to see the Midlands help the UK to lead the global automotive industry in the transition from conventional to low-carbon vehicle technologies," he said.

"The LCEA will send a clear signal to the global market about the Midlands' strengths in advanced automotive engineering. The move towards a low-carbon economy presents huge opportunities."

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12 February 2010

Whilst this may be a good investment for the future lets not forget the current situation, anybody that uses the M4 knows that anywhere between junction 12 and junction 4 is and has been the scene of many accidents some fatal, horrendous traffic flow issues and now the condition of the M4 is dangerous with potholes and rough surfaces adding to the treachourous conditions. Given that the projects over Windsor have taken many months and Junction 11 is also following the same length of time causing many of the traffic flow issues and accidents more disruption and construction will be a nightmare.

12 February 2010

[quote Cup172]more disruption and construction will be a nightmare[/quote]

Won't this be almost exclusively off the road itself?

Can't wait for the knockers to start knocking, but if electric and hydrogen cars are going to ever get off the ground, it has to happen. Hopefully it rolls out quickly everywhere.

12 February 2010

Although my needs are not the norm, I am far from the only one. Once a week I commute from Gloucestershire to Hammersmith via the A417/419 and then the M4 / A4 to west London. The distance, about 110 miles. Or the maximum range under perfect conditions of the most capable milk float. So whilst a 'petrol' station for electric cars is great .... will it give me a decent range boosting charge in 5 minutes? I would I have to actually move my office to Reading to allow it charge sufficiently over 5 hours. Hmmmm.

It is a start I guess, but the real world is a very challenging place for electic cars. Perfect for city runabouts, hopeless for everything else.

12 February 2010

A few points:

Mandelslime is doing this because the head of Kraft shafted him over Cadbury's. Mandelson's name is dirt in B'ham and with the Brummies. NuLabour stand to lose tens of seats in the West Mids over Cadbury's, MG Rover, LDV etc, etc... He assured Cadbury workers that Kraft's takeover would mean the reprieve of the Cadbury Somerfield plant - which was being run down for removal to Poland. Within a week of taking over Cadbury's Kraft reneged on the deal and made Mandelsime look like a right chump. Bournville workers now see Kraft for what they are - asset-strippers - and know they will almost certainly be closed down too, like Terry's in York. Throwing the sop of £19m to the W.Mids, Mandelson thinks he can buy back Brummie election support. Maybe he can, because they've been taken in time and time before.

Second, what does £19m buy these days? A month of MPs' expenses? How would £19m 'secure' 10,000 jobs? Are they paper-boy jobs?

Third, Mandelslime's right about one thing. The West Midlands is a Low Carbon Economic Area. But that's because after 30 years of shafting by Thatcher, The City of London banksters and most recently the NuLabour cabal and its big business chums, Birmingham, the Black Country and Coventry now make f*ck all and hence there is no need for carbon, full stop. It, the W.Mids, is a f*cking wasteland, UK's version of Detroit/Michigan. Mandelslime and Labour deserve to be buried in a low carbon grave for what they've done to the W.Mids but then the other shower of bankers' puppets would do exactly the same, as 1979-1997 showed.

12 February 2010

This Governments ambition knows no bounds! Linking Wales to London with Hydrogen refueling points. What a masterstroke! This will have everyone rushing out to buy Hydrogen powered cars. Well, it will if they only use the M4. The other 99.9% of car users will just have to wait until the scheme is extended. This should really boost the sales of Hydrogen powered vehicles. A list which consists of what exactly, one BMW 7 series and one Honda. The word I'm thinking of rhymes with flossers. Can we have 300 taxis immediately to Westminster please.

12 February 2010

[quote fredwest] Bournville workers now see Kraft for what they are - asset-strippers - and know they will almost certainly be closed down too, like Terry's in York.[/quote] Nestel (nee Rowntrees) in York is also being demolished right now.
[quote fredwest]The West Midlands is a Low Carbon Economic Area. But that's because after 30 years of shafting by Thatcher, The City of London banksters and most recently the NuLabour cabal and its big business chums, Birmingham, the Black Country and Coventry now make f*ck all and hence there is no need for carbon, full stop. It, the W.Mids, is a f*cking wasteland, UK's version of Detroit/Michigan. Mandelslime and Labour deserve to be buried in a low carbon grave for what they've done to the W.Mids [/quote] Love it! Still laughing. However, might I suggest that 'The UK' replaces 'West Midlands'. Remember all that bo**ocks about global forces. They were quickly forgotten when it was the bankers livelihoods on the line...

12 February 2010

[quote noluddite]30 years of shafting by Thatcher, The City of London banksters and most recently the NuLabour cabal [/quote]]

Thirty years? What about Old Labour and the Unions of the 70s' under investment and accountants control of the 60's? The West Midlands problems did not begin with Thatcher Bankers and current Labour. The decline was was more home spun and a reluctance to adapt.

Politicians and Bankers are less important that we think. Want change? It starts with us, not them.

12 February 2010

[quote fredwest]Mandelson's name is dirt in B'ham and with the Brummies[/quote] [quote fredwest]Birmingham, the Black Country and Coventry now make f*ck all[/quote] [quote fredwest] the W.Mids is a f*cking wasteland[/quote]

Do you get a good feel for the people and industry in the Midlands from dort in Deutschland, horse?

I am tired, bored and offended by your continuous vitriol. Why do you keep coming back?

12 February 2010

[quote Casanova]I am tired, bored and offended by your continuous vitriol. Why do you keep coming back?[/quote]

Agreed, Casanova.

Even the name is offensive.

12 February 2010

[quote Casanova][quote fredwest]Mandelson's name is dirt in B'ham and with the Brummies[/quote] [quote fredwest]Birmingham, the Black Country and Coventry now make f*ck all[/quote] [quote fredwest] the W.Mids is a f*cking wasteland[/quote]

Do you get a good feel for the people and industry in the Midlands from dort in Deutschland, horse?

I am tired, bored and offended by your continuous vitriol. Why do you keep coming back?

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Don't try to censor me mate.

Let's recap, the news item is about hydrogen provision on the M4 and some funding for some jargon initiative, LCEA, in the Midlands, aimed at the auto industry in particular. First off, both announcements are immaterial as the general election is due in less than three months and the UK civil service are preparing for a change of government. There is no chance of either action being implememted. Of the two, the £19m to the Midlands is more important as it is an attempt to buy votes in the key West Mids. marginals at the G.Election.

Secondly, please do not tell me to shut-up or not to comment on Midlands, UK matters. I was born and bred in B'ham. I went to school not far from Longbridge and Bournville(Kings Norton). I am of immigrant Irish stock and am of working class background. I still have family and friends in B'ham. I feel myself qualified to comment on what has happened to B'ham and the wider W.Mids in my lifetime and what is still happening to it. If you have something factual to disagree with what I've said above, let's have it,

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