London Mayor Boris Johnson wants to scrap the automatic charge exemption for all hybrids
26 May 2010

London's Congestion Charge policy will be shaken up if proposals by London Mayor Boris Johnson get the go-ahead.

Johnson wants to scrap the automatic charge exemption for all hybrids, replacing it with free entry to the zone for vehicles emitting less than 100g/km of CO2 and meeting other Euro V emissions standards.

The proposal is part of a consultation released for public comment by Transport for London, which is also looking at scrapping the westward extension of the zone, effectively halving its size.

In addition, the charge will increase from £8 to £10, or £12 if you pay the day after.

However, it has also been proposed that people can spend £10 to register for the charge in order to get access to a simplified payment system.

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26 May 2010

I hate all this emmisions based chaging. Emmisions have very little to do with congestion. You are either on the road, or you are not, therefore everyone should pay a set rate. Or in fact nothing at all because Congestion charging is one of the biggest rip offs ever. Why should you have to pay £10 to be on a road that you have already paid for in your road tax?

And why should people in these tiny cars pay nothing for the maintanace of the roads. Free Road Tax, No congestion charge, hell why dont we just give them the cars for free as well.......

and tbh, I think all hybrids should remain Free. Its highly likely that most Hybrids when running through the slow moving congestion zone are running on battery power, Hence zero emmisions. Not sure its a good idea to dissuade people from buying Hybrids?

26 May 2010

they should charge 5p/cm of vehicle length. buses must pay aswell.

26 May 2010

There are now quite a few diesels available which would be exempt under these proposals. There is no sense at all in encouraging the use of diesels (Euro 5 or not) in a congested city.

There really needs to be a review of CO2 vs other emissions and how we tax and incentivise cars and their use.

26 May 2010

If they are going to base the charge on C02 emissions then surely they must look at the urban output figures rather than the combined figures for driving in central London? All the cars that just scrape under the 100g/km on the combined cycle will be putting out much larger amounts driving in central London.

26 May 2010

I think this is an object lesson in why NOT to have congestion charging because once you have got it no matter what happens there will always be an excuse to fleece you more and more . Oh and of course it will be good for the environment yada yada .

Now Boris is this really about congestion or raising dosh for GLC .

Money money money .

26 May 2010

The whole emissions based criteria for a congestion charge is wrong. If it's a charge to reduce emissions, reduce pollutants and improve the environment of the city, then fair enough. But it isn't, and was never proposed to be such a thing.

from TFL website, the aim (the only aim stated) is::

"The charge aims to reduce traffic congestion and make journeys quicker by encouraging people to choose other forms of transport."

As congestion is effectively due to the ratio of total vehicle footprint vs the size of the road space available, then a size-related variable charge would be fair. Smaller the car, smaller the charge. Of course you can argue that a smaller car should have less emissions than a larger one, but not always the case.

[quote Old Toad]Now Boris is this really about congestion or raising dosh for GLC .[/quote]

Of course it's about money, but...by law, any money raised from the congestion charging scheme has to be fed back into improving transport for London. (whatever that may mean)

Well, whatever. I'm fortunate to live & work outside of London and never have to go in in the week, so what do I care!

26 May 2010

[quote Old Toad]

Now Boris is this really about congestion or raising dosh for GLC .

Money money money

[/quote]

correct. The 2012 Olympics folly and the shiny new Red Bus have to be paid for. Plus, this measure at a stroke scuppers most of the UK market justification for big hybrid SUVs. I'm sure JLR execs at Gaydon will be spitting their coffee out this morning to hear that their in-the-pipeline hybrid behemoths, like the Range_e, have just been kiboshed.

26 May 2010

[quote comment8]All the cars that just scrape under the 100g/km on the combined cycle will be putting out much larger amounts driving in central London.[/quote]

Very good point comment8. These figures generally aren't published in GB, some manufacturers do it but most don't, and I'd be interested to see in any combustion vehicles get under 100 g/km on the urban cycle.

Another point about the hybrids whirring along only on battery power but, remember, that's 0 g/km tailpipe emissions. That power's gotta come from somewhere...


26 May 2010

[quote nicksheele]

[quote Old Toad]

Now Boris is this really about congestion or raising dosh for GLC .

Money money money

[/quote]

correct. The 2012 Olympics folly and the shiny new Red Bus have to be paid for. Plus, this measure at a stroke scuppers most of the UK market justification for big hybrid SUVs. I'm sure JLR execs at Gaydon will be spitting their coffee out this morning to hear that their in-the-pipeline hybrid behemoths, like the Range_e, have just been kiboshed.

[/quote]

I have been reading this forum as a guest for about six weeks now, and it would appear to me that Mr Sheele has a hatred of what remains of the British motor industry. I would like to take this opportunity to point out that I believe that all three of the main German manufacturers are working on hybrid versions of their humongous SUVs...

26 May 2010

[quote Straight Six Man] I would like to take this opportunity to point out that I believe that all three of the main German manufacturers are working on hybrid versions of their humongous SUVs...
[/quote]

not only working on, 'SSM', but in-market - the Touareg and Cayenne Hybrids. These too will be set back by the abolition of the hybrid exemption - a headache for VW and Porsche in relation to previously projected sales of their behemoth SUVs in the UK but a potential disaster for behemoth SUV-dependent Land Rover. See the difference?

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