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Peugeot unveils the first-ever production diesel-electric hybrid

Peugeot has unveiled the first ever production diesel electric hybrid - the 3008 HYbrid4 - at the Paris motor show.

It combines a 2.0-litre 163bhp HDi diesel engine with stop-start that drives the front wheels with a 37bhp electric motor that powers the rear wheels.

See the official pics of the Peugeot 3008 Hybrid4

The powertrains gives the 3008 hybrid headline figures of 74.4mpg, and 99g/km, which Peugeot claims equates to a 30 per cent reduction in fuel consumption over a petrol-electric hybrid.

A maximum 369lb ft of torque is available, split between 221lb ft from the HDi diesel engine and 148lb ft from the electric motor.

The 3008 Hybrid4 has different modes that include Auto, Sport, a four-wheel-drive mode and an all-electric mode called ZEV (Zero Emissions Vehicle) mode.

The Auto mode is designed to optimise fuel consumption and the ZEV mode is similar to the EV mode seen on the Toyota Prius, where the diesel engine is only used for short spurts of acceleration.

Sport mode speeds up the gearshifts from the electronically controlled six-speed sequential manual gearbox.

Read Autocar’s first drive of the Peugeot 3008 1.6 THP 150 Sport

The Nickel Metal Hydride batteries are located under the boot floor, near the electric motor and the link between the front and rear drivetrains is controlled electronically rather than mechanically.

The styling of the 3008 Hybrid4 is subtly different from the standard car. The rear spoiler has been given a two-tone finish with a high-gloss black section, and there is a bar of LEDs in the headlamps providing a daytime lighting.

Inside there is a seven-inch colour display, which provides information on the flow of energy between the two powertrains and the wheels.

Andrew Papworth

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optimal_909 30 September 2010

Re: Peugeot's 3008 diesel hybrid

vengey wrote:
It's a shame this thread got hijacked. A diesel hybrid is a very interesting concept and I hope it is the start of many to come.
Indeed, I didn't manage to properly read it through. Hybrid-wise I think the full-hybrid is a way too complicated powertrain, so weighs a lot, costs a lot and might be not as reliable as its simpler alternatives - so it should be either mild-, or plug-in hybrid. I think it should do better mileage than a Toyota, has more advanced batteries as well (as I recall Toyota is still using NiCd).

vengey 30 September 2010

Re: Peugeot's 3008 diesel hybrid

It's a shame this thread got hijacked. A diesel hybrid is a very interesting concept and I hope it is the start of many to come. BMW planning for 2015/2016 and I believe Mercedes are planning for 2010?

Oh, I have a 320D ED. Earlier in the month I traveled from York-Leeds, Leeds- Milton Keynes, Milton Keynes-Leeds and finally Leeds back to York. I averaged 70.6 for the entire journey, that's with aircon on the return leg, but off on the first.

Christian Galea 13 September 2010

Re: Peugeot's 3008 diesel hybrid

MrTrilby wrote:
The Golf Bluemotion is criticised for exactly that in a thread active on this forum this week. Yet you studiously choose to ignore that because it doesn't suit your pro-diesel argument.
The reason I have "ignored it" is because I actually haven't seen this thread you are referring to. But if the Golf does indeed fall way short of official figures, then interested buyers should (like buyers interested in the Prius) also be made aware of this.
MrTrilby wrote:
I assume you realise that according to Skoda, the Octavia 1.9 diesel with DSG gearbox gets a full 10MPG less than the manual gearbox variant? So if you're saying that real world, the Octavia is within .5MPG of the Prius, then the DSG version is 10MPG worse and will only get 40MPG? That's not a great alternative. At about an average of £1 a litre, that's around £1800 more expensive to fuel over the 80k miles we've done. Running one the Octavia DSG as a private car costs you around an extra £140 in RFL a year. Running one as a company car, as we do, means it will cost you £400-£500 extra per year. So over three years, that's another £1500 extra we have to pay. So basically, your "better" alternative has hidden additional costs of over £3k to pay, all for the privilege of driving a lower specced car that gets significantly lower economy, is fitted with VW's notoriously unrefined and noisy Pump Duse engine, and just to cap it off sticks out a tonne of NOx and particulate pollution. That's a genius recommendation of yours. No thanks.
Strange that the Octavia 1.9TDI with DSG is around 10mpg worse than the manual version - not even the 2.0TDI is that worse; the mpg differences in other engines equipped with DSG gearboxes are much slimmer (the 1.8TSI with DSG gets even better economy than the manual); but yes, I have confirmed that the new 1.9TDI for some reason gets just under 10mpg less than the manual. So in the real-world, you would expect to get around 43mpg (although apparently it’s not too difficult to get over 45mpg…), equating to under £1500 more than the Prius with petrol at £1 a litre.

However, you did not include depreciation; the Octavia, besides being cheaper, also retains its value better than the Prius, so that it is expected to lose around £3000-£3500 more than an Octavia over 3 years and 80,000 miles. It's probably not the most important factor with regards to company cars, but it is still important nevertheless. Also, the company car tax figure depends in which bracket you fall into - the figures you quoted applies for the top 40% bracket, so naturally there would be a greater discrepancy than the 20% tax bracket.

As for "unrefined and noisy", as I already quoted, Autocar claims that the 1.9TDI is only 1dB noisier than the Prius at 70mph...
MrTrilby wrote:
You're a couple of zeros out with your statistics. No doubt a simple mistake on your part rather than an attempt to mislead.
I quoted the figure directly from the magazine... So apologies for that.
MrTrilby wrote:
Christian Galea wrote:
Actually, I have driven several diesels, and I really didn't mind the noise they made. Idling is perhaps the worst noise they make
That's impressive. Not only have you read the pages of What Car but you've driven a few diesels!
So first you accuse me of never having driven a diesel, and then when I say that I have you still try and create a new argument...And I honestly hope your concerns for the environment genuinely stem from your opinion and not to try and strengthen your arguments in this discussion. If it is indeed your opinion, then good for you.
MrTrilby wrote:
So the fact that the Prius runs clean, and also offers us a refined quiet and ultra smooth drive, and still manages to match the economy of a decent diesel - that's just fabulous, and far from deserving of people like trying to spread misinformation and myths about them.
Naturally, as seen in this forum, everyone has different opinions and priorities, but for me and for several journalists, the Octavia is quite a better car than the Prius. And as I’ve said, there are several diesels that better the Prius’ real-world economy.As for "misinformation and myths"...I'm tired of quoting all those sources (including owners) saying how the Prius is not as green and economical as the official figures suggest.
MrTrilby wrote:
It'll be interesting to see what it can manage in the real world.

That's the whole point, isn't it?