Mercedes moves to reassure UK customers after France bans some models

Mercedes-Benz says the sale of its vehicles in the UK is not affected by a ban imposed on its A and B-class and SL models in France.

The ban of sales of these three models was imposed in June after Mercedes vehicles were sold with a phased-out air conditioning refrigerant - which France says is in breach of European Union rules.

Since January this year many car manufacturers have agreed to switch to using a new type of air-conditioning refrigerant, R1234yf, and to phase out old R1234a refrigerant - reportedly 1000 times more potent than C02 as a global warming agent.

Mercedes and its parent company Daimler have continued to use the older refrigerant in its cars, however, citing safety concerns. The manufacturer says that results from its own crash tests show the new refrigerant has the potential to ignite.

The refrigerant's maker, Honeywell, says there is "no significant risk" of this happening.

Mercedes has had its cars re-certified to European standard in Germany and says its cars are fully legal.

"The cars were re-tested to the same standard as all other cars," said a Mercedes spokesperson "The cars do have valid EU-type approval and are legal to be registered, sold and driven."

The European Commission has officially notified the German government of its objections to Daimler continuing to use the old refrigerant - giving the company until September to comply with the new standards.

In a statement the European Commission said that "corrective measures shall be taken to bring the [non-conforming] vehicles in conformity, including the withdrawal of those non-conforming vehicles already sold on the market."

No other country has enforced a ban on new Mercedes registrations.

Daimler has said it will continue to use the old refrigerant until a 'safer' alternative becomes available. Alongside other manufacturers, the company is working on a C02-based refrigerant that it will introduce into the market before the next EU emissions deadline, which comes into force at the end of 2016.

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18 July 2013

Here we go again, EU meddling in something which it knows little about, and while there are far weightier issues which ought to concern it.

For my part I would far rather believe M-B's engineers than a bunch of ner-do-wells with their noses in the trough who have been bluffed by Honeywell...or worse.

If M-B say r1234yf isnt safe, thats good enough for me!

Just how would the EU remove vehicles from owners who already have their 'non-confirming' cars...I am damn sure they wouldnt get their hands on mine useless toxxxrs

18 July 2013

289 wrote:

Here we go again, EU meddling in something which it knows little about, and while there are far weightier issues which ought to concern it.

For my part I would far rather believe M-B's engineers than a bunch of ner-do-wells with their noses in the trough who have been bluffed by Honeywell...or worse.

If M-B say r1234yf isnt safe, thats good enough for me!

Just how would the EU remove vehicles from owners who already have their 'non-confirming' cars...I am damn sure they wouldnt get their hands on mine useless toxxxrs

One thing that worries me is the total lack of simple comprehension. The EU hasn't banned anything, let alone the 3 models of Mercedes here. The article clearly states that the French government has banned the 3 models in question (A,B and SL) 
As a fully qualified EU lawyer, I'm amazed at the myths peddelled every day to undermine the work done by both the Commission and Parliament. FYI, the EU makes rules that are voted on by 28 Member States, its not some myopic entity that exists for some higher beings' pleasure.

So don't worry, put your 'little Englander' away and get real, the EU won't be doing anything, other than rapping the French for idiocy. If Mercedes are adamant that they've been re-certified then it is a French issue, the UK and the other EU members will continue without molestation by Brussels. 

Do yourself a favour, either read the article properly and get your facts straight, or don't comment on what you know nothing about! 

289

18 July 2013

 

@swissrangie

.....the EU provides the bullets...France has fired them, so The EU are behind this stupidity like it or not.

"The European Commission said on Tuesday that some Daimler models were being sold in breach of EU rules and according to its preliminary assessment the French ban could be justified".

"The Commission has given the German government until August 20 to explain its decision - the first step before possible EU infringement proceedings.

I notice you leap to the EU's defence without addressing the safety issue, or the fact that this 'tin pot' organisation which swallows billions of Euro's achieving nothing but creating jobs for the unemployable and getting in the way of business's who are trying to dig their way out of this god awful bureaurocrats mess.

Who gives a shxt about the co2 targets...they are going to be missed aby a country mile anyway...it is only the Swiss who have the luxury of time whilst sitting on their stashes of mainly dubious provenance gold to worry about such ethereal matters. The rest of the world is staring down a black hole!

So I have read the article, I do understand the issue - thank you for the sarcasm, particularly having noted your 'gainful' employment, and I am proud to be " a little Englander"

If you are a 'Swiss EU Lawyer' you have a vested interested in all this chaos...it increases your 'take' and of course living in Switzerland reduces your tax!!

nb the Autocar article is incorrect the new A/C gas is actually HFO1234yf

18 July 2013


swissrangie wrote:

As a fully qualified EU lawyer, I'm amazed at the myths peddelled every day to undermine the work done by both the Commission and Parliament. FYI, the EU makes rules that are voted on by 28 Member States, its not some myopic entity that exists for some higher beings' pleasure.

Finally, someone talking sense about Europe!  Anybody ever wonder why the UK media reports in great detail the goings on from the UK parliament, but never mentions any of the day-to-day activities of the democratically elected EU parliament, unless it's the Daily Fail and their quest to twist EU laws into a silly headline?

The story above is a French problem with a German manufacturer.  Mercedes rightly points out that they have EU type approval for their cars,  which the French are wilfully ignoring.  This is nothing to do with EU meddling.

No doubt the EC will want to know why Mercedes has taken this step, but it's not the EC or the EU which has banned the cars, it's the French who are acting unilaterally - again.

18 July 2013

swissrangie wrote:

As a fully qualified EU lawyer 

Swiss, EU and Lawyer was when I lost interest.. 3 totally pointless entities.

289

18 July 2013

Swiss, EU and Lawyer was when I lost interest.. 3 totally pointless entities.

Yup, with you on this one Citytiger!!

18 July 2013

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Here we go again, EU meddling in something which it knows little about, and while there are far weightier issues which ought to concern it.

 

What, have you finished reading the Daily Express for today?

18 July 2013

289 wrote:

For my part I would far rather believe M-B's engineers than a bunch of ner-do-wells with their noses in the trough who have been bluffed by Honeywell...or worse.

If M-B say r1234yf isnt safe, thats good enough for me!

My immediate thought reading the above was the original A-Class and the battering M-B's reputation took when those same engineers got it so wrong.

A 3rd party highlighted the A-Classes ability to topple over, not M-B. 

289

18 July 2013

"A 3rd party highlighted the A-Classes ability to topple over, not M-B"

...Scotty, what the f**k has that got to do with this! and by the way the 3rd party ( a magazine) deliberately performed a manoeuvre not reccomended for ANY high sided or high centre of gravity vehicle.

How many old A-class have you ever seen lying on their sides in the road in the 15 years of production?

18 July 2013

Since this article is, no doubt, lifted word-for-word from a Mercedes press release, it is similarly, no doubt, indicative of Mercedes' incomprehension of the function of the EU and National governments.  In short, this is a damage limitation press release put out to try to head off contagion.  After all, they have demonstrably gone in a different direction than that stated over the years and now, purely for profit reasons, done a u-turn.  The French, good for them, have called Mercedes' bluff.  Turkeys, home, and roost.

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