Plans put forward by Germany propose a phase-in period for proposed 95g/km EU emissions targets
Darren Moss
7 October 2013

Voting on whether to lower the CO2 emissions limit on new cars has been delayed for a third time.

EU member states were due to vote on whether to drop the CO2 emissions limit to 95g/km from 2020, but lobbying from Germany has delayed any action.

Germany is said to want to dilute the proposed plans, on behalf of its home-grown car manufacturers Audi, BMW and Mercedes-Benz.

Instead of the proposed blanket agreement, the country instead wants a phase-in period on the emissions legislation - suggesting that 80 per cent of new cars should emit less than 95g/km of CO2 by 2020. The remaining 20 per cent of cars would then be phased in by 2024.

The changes were backed by Britain, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland and Hungary.

Targets already agreed by the EU propose a 130g/km limit across manufacturer model ranges by 2015.

At the same meeting, a target set for commercial vans to emit no more than 147g/km by 2020 was endorsed by member states, meaning it will now be passed to EU ministers before becoming law.

A final decision on the emissions limits for new cars is expected to be agreed later this month.

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7 October 2013

Hit them where it hurts - boycott Audi, BMW and Mercedes-Benz. They should hang their heads in shame.

Thank goodness not everything in life is as unreliable as a Volkswagen.

7 October 2013

This seems unfair on those manufacturers who may have invested heavily in meeting the proposed target. And why is it that the Germans, with all their much lauded clever technology, seem to be the only country lobying?
It's not as if the legislation was being introduced tomorrow, they have six years with which to design cars to comply.


7 October 2013

"why is it that the Germans,, with all their much lauded clever technology, seem to be the only country lobbying"
...I would have thought that was obvious....because it is mainly the German brands who produce the bigger faster models...which by the way the buying public want to buy, otherwise they wouldn't be so successful.
Its easy for the likes of Renault or PSA who mainly produce poxy little faceless soulless tinny death-traps for the masses to meet the targets that's why France and Italy aren't backing the lobbying. They see this as an opportunity to stick the boot in...jealous of Germany's success.
You can be sure if the French were capable of building large executive barges which people actually wanted to buy, they would be adopting a different stance!!
I am glad the Germans are standing up for themselves and telling Brussels to bog off, we should too given the size of engines in JLR product.
Why should we be dictated to as to what we should or shouldn't buy, I don't make a fuss about the people who fly here there and everywhere all over the globe on holidays...that's their choice. Me, rather than spend money on holidays which rarely live up to their billing and sit in sweaty airports, I would rather spend my money on a vehicle with a large engine and plenty of coachwork to protect me when the inevitable accident choice which I will never give up just because some overpaid faceless bureaucrat (who by the way is being driven around in Audi's, BMW's and Mercedes-Benz's), says I should. Ruddy cheek, Ruddy hypocrites!

7 October 2013

Fine talking about the future but have they met the current targets. If you then change how cars are tested as is often muted to give a more real world value MPG have they achieved the target. Especially some of these small capacity ICE which seemed to deliver about half the MPG as officially measured.

"The EU fleet average target of 130g CO2 per km will be phased in between 2012 and 2015. In 2012, an average of 65% of each manufacturer's newly registered cars must comply with the limit value curve set by the legislation. This will rise to 75% in 2013, 80% in 2014, and 100% from 2015 on wards."

7 October 2013

...all the technical aspects of this utterly complicated matter of fleet emissions. Whatever it is, it can't be good for big cars. No wonder Audi, BMW and Mercedes aren't happy.
At best they can delay the change. At the rate the technology is developing, I think the current generation of motorists would find it hard to recognise the next generation of cars.

8 October 2013

Its not so difficult. Germany builds bigger cars and - whatever technology they use - will consume more power. Simple physics. So they can a) stop making S-classes and Porsches and fire thousands of people, or b) they make an effort in making fuel-efficient big cars. Which they do. Per ton weight, the engines consume a lot less than old shitty Dacia engines.

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