Second-generation hydrogen fuel cell technology will be introduced in the early 2020s, substantially reducing costs
Jim Holder
26 October 2017

Toyota is predicting it will be able to sell hydrogen-powered cars for the same price as an equivalent hybrid by 2025.

Today, a mid-end Toyota Prius hybrid costs around £22,000. That compares to a hydrogen-powered Mirai, which is sold at around £65,000, but which loses money once development costs are accounted for. However, the Mirai is a larger car than the Prius.

However, at the Tokyo motor show officials revealed that they expect the next generation of hydrogen fuel technology to be substantially cheaper to produce, as well as more efficient. The anticipated exponential growth in hydrogen-powered sales -albeit still at relatively small volumes - is also expected to help lower costs as scales of production ramp up.

“In the early 2020s we will launch the next generation hydrogen fuel stack technology, and that will provide a substantial move forward,” said Naomichi Hata, general manager of new business planning for Toyota. “Today production of the Mirai is limited to 3000 cars a year, but by 2025 we expect that figure to be ten times higher.

“As a result of these gains we expect - in Japan at least - the same car type to cost the same price whether it is a hybrid or powered by hydrogen.”

At the Tokyo motor show Toyota revealed the Fine-Comfort Ride concept, which showcased its next-generation hydrogen fuel cell technology in concept form. The car is said by Toyota to have a range of 620 miles (1000km) between refills, from a 6kg capacity tank.

 

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26 October 2017

By which time electric cars will have already achieved cost parity. Hydrogen fuel will always cost about the same a diesel to drive on because it requires at least four time as much energy per mile  as electric. The Pence Per Mile advantage of EVs is the death of Hydrogen.

26 October 2017

Would it not be better to have local electricity generation via hydrogen, then juice up cars and power houses from this??

if I could go off grid with local electricity generation from my own hydrogen power plant, happy days. Probably vastly more efficient than the current grid, and I could help solve the power generation problem as all the new e cars come along.

Spanner

26 October 2017

No it wouldn't be better it would be far worse.

Where woudl your hydrogen come from? In any case, its much more efficient, as in 4-5x,  to simply take the electricity once you have it, and put it into a car, than turn it into hydrogen and then turn it back into electricity to put back into a car.

 

26 October 2017

Does anyone out there have any empirical idea about whether putting a hydrogen fuel cell to power a few houses and cars is more efficienct/clean than central generation via an extensive grid?

not opinion but real evidence? I struggle to see how a hydrogen fuel cell is a better idea stuffed into a car than as a local generation capability. But hey ho, I know b.all. If it has no place for local power generation, seems silly to have in a car full stop. 

Spanner

26 October 2017

And it turns out the future is 2025!

26 October 2017

And what about the fact the ix35 Hydrogen car does the equivalent of 23mpg on SLOW runs!! These 2025 are just pie in the sky figures just to keep the press interested. Here's some facts they'll always be more expensive to buy, heavier, slower, less economic to run, have less space and be more expensive to maintain than a BEV.

Which is why BMW, Jaguar etc have given up on it!

 

Hydrogen cars just went POP

26 October 2017

"3000 cars a year, but by 2025 we expect that figure to be ten times higher." so in 8 years time they hope for 30,000 cars a year with next to no Hydrogen car competition. They still wouldn't make a profit on that number even with the £15,000 grant from the EU continuing.

The Model 3 ALONE is hoping to produce this number every 6 weeks in a few months time.

 

Hydrogen cars just went POP

26 October 2017
This talk about efficiency has made things so boring, it is ineficcient to have several large screens and other unuseful gadgets in the car and people still like to have them.

Get this through your mind, BEV's will never dominate the market 100%,it is good to have other options.

26 October 2017

No one has ever said BEV's will be 100%. Petrol and diesel will be around for decades at least.

In 10 years time such is the rate of progress BEV's (or Capitor EV's) will be knocking on the door of 400 miles between charges that might only take 10 minutes.

Electricity derived from Hydrogen in cars can never be more efficient than the electricity used in a BEV, that's physics and can't be denied

 

Hydrogen cars just went POP

26 October 2017

Hey Toyota, I will wait for 2040 then, by that time, I will get one for 15K, 5 year maintenance included and the salesman will kiss me for just to have allowed to dispatch one

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