Ford Focus RS or Renault Clio Cup - which is the ultimate hot hatch? To find out Autocar tested them back-to-back.
The Focus RS500 is billed as the ultimate expression of a hot hatch. But has it gone too far? With 345 bhp and a price tag up with a BMW 335i or a base spec Porsche Cayman has this extremely talented but insane hatchback forgotten its roots?
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At £35,750, up £7,855 over the ‘standard’ RS, the RS500 has an extra 45bhp, a shade more torque, a matt black vinyl wrap and a few interior details. It also comes with the hugely evocative RS500 name, last used on the whale tailed Sierra Cosworth.
The Clio Cup musters a naturally aspirated 197bhp and 156lb ft of torque from its 2.0-litre four pot motor. Its price of £16,710, under half of the Ford, asks a lot of questions of the menacing Focus.
The RS500 has the answer in third gear. In its lowest two ratios, the Focus’s torque is limited to the same levels as in the standard RS to protect the gearbox and improve traction. But when you slot third, you enter a different world – one dominated by induction gasps and the sort of acceleration the Clio can’t live with.
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It is also a world that features a fair amount of torque steer, even with its trick Revo-knuckle suspension. On a dry straight road you have to hold the wheel quite tight, but it seems a reasonable trade-off for the performance available.
Find a section of road that’s quiet enough and the Focus feels brutally rapid. Just as we found with the regular RS, the RS500 has a playfulness to its chassis that is downright amusing. Turn in, lift off and the nose tucks in nicely without any real risk of misadventure, then get back on the power.It’s the classic front wheel drive recipe, but honed for maximum enjoyment.
Swap into the Clio and it can feel underwhelming. With the poorer ride and an artificial feel to its steering, the only obvious advantage is its lightness: at 1204kg, it carries 263kg less than the Ford. But it is from this lack of mass, and a closely stacked set of ratios, that everything else grows.
See the exclusive Ford Focus RS versus Renault Clio Cup pictures
Although its outright pace will still be less than the RS500, between the wave of gearchanges, frenzy of revs and a surprisingly useful upshift buzzer, the sense of pace is at times greater in the Clio.
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beachland2
Re: Focus RS500 v Clio Cup
yes.
and i expect an ibiza cupra will be even faster, being 32kgs lighter than the clio, and with DSG to make it even more fun.
i think the megane 250 RS cup, would easily beat the RS500. as would an audi S3/golf R/sirocco R/leon cupra R etc.
anyway other brands aside, what it makes me think is that i would rather have a focus ST (£22,895) with 221bhp as standard. and spend the £12,895 saved on making it lighter and better handling and steering.
it would end up being a faster car than the RS500, and much cheaper on mpg and wear and tear on the mechanicals.
jelly7961
Re: Focus RS500 v Clio Cup
[quote beachland2]anyway other brands aside, what it makes me think is that i would rather have a focus ST (£22,895) with 221bhp as standard. and spend the £12,895 saved on making it lighter and better handling and steering.
Couldn't agree more. There comes a point where power - and more tellingly torque levels in a front drive car actually detract from it's enjoyment. Alfasud Ti, Peugeot 205 and 306. Not much power but lots of fun![/quote]
andrepaul999
Re: Focus RS500 v Clio Cup
two cars that would find completely different homes regardless of the peformance stats
having sat in a clio recently i couldnt wait to get out, plastic tacky rubbish.
Jon Hardcastle
Re: Focus RS500 v Clio Cup
The Focus RS is an excellent car as is the Clio cup but competition with the Clio is not really representative, the only things they have in common are 4 wheels apart from that they will appeal to totally different demographics.
Arcord
Re: Focus RS500 v Clio Cup
It's been said already...Autocar is comparing uncomparable. Those two cars have nothing in common
Besides look at the Focus and then look at the Clio, god there is a difference, Clio is just so much uglier, the interior feels like 20 years old and the exterior simply can't match.
In my opinion Focus is one of the hottest cars there are, and for this reason only, having been lucky getting on the waiting list, I wouldn't hesitate a second and buy one
beachland2
Re: Focus RS500 v Clio Cup
the only thing thats hot about the focus are its front tyres after trying to maintain forward momentum.
i'm no fan of clio quality either.
Zadster
Re: Focus RS500 v Clio Cup
Anyone else wondering why Autocar are reviewing a car that was sold out 12 hours before it went on sale?
beachland2
Re: Focus RS500 v Clio Cup
to say that you are suggesting they are reviewing some red cotton stitching and a tacky interior plate. the rest of the car is Focus RS which is on sale and the upgrade kit which is on sale aswell which gives the 345bhp. that is what they are reviewing really.
FriendlyFisherman
Re: Focus RS500 v Clio Cup
[quote beachland2]
the only thing thats hot about the focus are its front tyres after trying to maintain forward momentum.
i'm no fan of clio quality either.
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This coming from the person who recently posted how he destroys a set of front tyres every 3000 miles in a Lupo...
beachland2
Re: Focus RS500 v Clio Cup
not through lack of grip though, the tyres have perfect traction and control, thats why i bought them. that is their natural wear rate for a soft compound tyre. i have 130bhp going throught the front wheels on a sub 900kgs car. the focus is what 1400kgs? putting 300 to 345bhp through the front tyres....which dont provide enough traction when power is swiftly sent to them. i have no such problems.
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