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It is also a world that features a fair amount of torque steer, even with its trick Revo-knuckle suspension. On a dry straight road you have to hold the wheel quite tight, but it seems a reasonable trade-off for the performance available.
Find a section of road that’s quiet enough and the Focus feels brutally rapid. Just as we found with the regular RS, the RS500 has a playfulness to its chassis that is downright amusing. Turn in, lift off and the nose tucks in nicely without any real risk of misadventure, then get back on the power.It’s the classic front wheel drive recipe, but honed for maximum enjoyment.
Swap into the Clio and it can feel underwhelming. With the poorer ride and an artificial feel to its steering, the only obvious advantage is its lightness: at 1204kg, it carries 263kg less than the Ford. But it is from this lack of mass, and a closely stacked set of ratios, that everything else grows.
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Although its outright pace will still be less than the RS500, between the wave of gearchanges, frenzy of revs and a surprisingly useful upshift buzzer, the sense of pace is at times greater in the Clio.
But it is into braking zones and corners that the Clio’s lack of weight pays dividends. The steering, brakes and lack of body roll the car gives you a sense of freedom that encourages a little more entry speed and a little more throttle.
This means you arrive at the end of a fast drive wired and exhilarated, exactly the point of a hot hatch.
But the fact remains the Focus RS500 will always be going slightly quicker. To find out how much quicker, we visited the Bedford Aerodrome for a few laps free from the moral (and legal) restrictions of the road.
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Up to a point, the Focus proves an entertaining track car, with good front-end bite and plenty of adjustability in the chassis. However, at the limit the movement in the rear axle that makes the RS500 such a fun road car robs time around a lap.
The RS500’s brakes also lack modulation and it is difficult to carry speed into a corner without tripping into messy oversteer. The result is a one-shot lap time of 2min 12sec.
The Clio is at a disadvantage on the circuit’s straights, but the fact is you can brake later and turn in with more speed than in the Ford. At first your cornering speed is limited by front end grip, but persevere with more speed and it can be persuaded into the sweet spot between understeer and oversteer, giving a lap of 2min 15.5secs – very close considering the power deficit.
Where does this leave the Focus? Well, it remains a hugely exciting car, with refinement and space the Clio can’t match.
But a hot hatch should be about simple ingredients and a balance of abilities not dominated by any single component. Having 345bhp is great for a time, but using every last one of the Clio’s 197bhp is simply more fun.
I’m not saying there shouldn’t be more or less powerful or expensive hot hatches out there, but I reckon the Clio Cup defines better than any other where the centre of gravity for the hot hatch should be.
The full test review is available in this week's Autocar magazine, on sale now.
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beachland2
Re: Focus RS500 v Clio Cup
yes.
and i expect an ibiza cupra will be even faster, being 32kgs lighter than the clio, and with DSG to make it even more fun.
i think the megane 250 RS cup, would easily beat the RS500. as would an audi S3/golf R/sirocco R/leon cupra R etc.
anyway other brands aside, what it makes me think is that i would rather have a focus ST (£22,895) with 221bhp as standard. and spend the £12,895 saved on making it lighter and better handling and steering.
it would end up being a faster car than the RS500, and much cheaper on mpg and wear and tear on the mechanicals.
jelly7961
Re: Focus RS500 v Clio Cup
[quote beachland2]anyway other brands aside, what it makes me think is that i would rather have a focus ST (£22,895) with 221bhp as standard. and spend the £12,895 saved on making it lighter and better handling and steering.
Couldn't agree more. There comes a point where power - and more tellingly torque levels in a front drive car actually detract from it's enjoyment. Alfasud Ti, Peugeot 205 and 306. Not much power but lots of fun![/quote]
andrepaul999
Re: Focus RS500 v Clio Cup
two cars that would find completely different homes regardless of the peformance stats
having sat in a clio recently i couldnt wait to get out, plastic tacky rubbish.
Jon Hardcastle
Re: Focus RS500 v Clio Cup
The Focus RS is an excellent car as is the Clio cup but competition with the Clio is not really representative, the only things they have in common are 4 wheels apart from that they will appeal to totally different demographics.
Arcord
Re: Focus RS500 v Clio Cup
It's been said already...Autocar is comparing uncomparable. Those two cars have nothing in common
Besides look at the Focus and then look at the Clio, god there is a difference, Clio is just so much uglier, the interior feels like 20 years old and the exterior simply can't match.
In my opinion Focus is one of the hottest cars there are, and for this reason only, having been lucky getting on the waiting list, I wouldn't hesitate a second and buy one
beachland2
Re: Focus RS500 v Clio Cup
the only thing thats hot about the focus are its front tyres after trying to maintain forward momentum.
i'm no fan of clio quality either.
Zadster
Re: Focus RS500 v Clio Cup
Anyone else wondering why Autocar are reviewing a car that was sold out 12 hours before it went on sale?
beachland2
Re: Focus RS500 v Clio Cup
to say that you are suggesting they are reviewing some red cotton stitching and a tacky interior plate. the rest of the car is Focus RS which is on sale and the upgrade kit which is on sale aswell which gives the 345bhp. that is what they are reviewing really.
FriendlyFisherman
Re: Focus RS500 v Clio Cup
[quote beachland2]
the only thing thats hot about the focus are its front tyres after trying to maintain forward momentum.
i'm no fan of clio quality either.
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This coming from the person who recently posted how he destroys a set of front tyres every 3000 miles in a Lupo...
beachland2
Re: Focus RS500 v Clio Cup
not through lack of grip though, the tyres have perfect traction and control, thats why i bought them. that is their natural wear rate for a soft compound tyre. i have 130bhp going throught the front wheels on a sub 900kgs car. the focus is what 1400kgs? putting 300 to 345bhp through the front tyres....which dont provide enough traction when power is swiftly sent to them. i have no such problems.
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