German firm to end relationship with McLaren in favour of a 75 per cent deal with Brawn
10 September 2009

Mercedes could be set to take a 75 per cent in the Brawn GP Formula One team from 2011, according to reports from Switzerland.

F1 journalist Roger Benoit claimed that Mercedes would let its contract with McLaren lapse at the end of 2011, before taking a majority stake in Brawn.

He also said the deal was backed by an Arab consortium, which is believed to be Abu Dhabi-based.

Mercedes is close to taking a stake in the Brawn team and the Brackley-built cars could run in a silver livery from next season.

As part of the deal, German Nico Rosberg is expected to switch to Brawn from Williams and partner Jenson Button. Rubens Barrichello would leave the team, according to the reports.

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10 September 2009

Huge, sensational news. Where was your Mr Henry when this broke? Was he having a nap?

And please, be honourable and report that it was broken exclusively in the current edition of Auto Motor und Sport magazine.

Looks like relations between Merc and McLaren have completely broken down. Brawn will become the real Silver Arrows team that McLaren couldn't/wouldn't be. A German driver, Rosberg, to put the icing on the cake. Well done Ross Brawn and Norbert Haug.

10 September 2009

A risky move by Mercedes. Brawn may be good but Mclaren have an illustrious history. I wonder if Mclaren will build their own engines or hop into bed with another manufacturer?

10 September 2009

[quote TStag]I wonder if Mclaren will build their own engines or hop into bed with another manufacturer?[/quote]

- like their 'own engine' for the MC12 road car, which turns out to be largely designed, developed and wholly contracted-out manufactured by Mahle(Mahle Powertain), from Mahle Group, out of Stuttgart, Germany. Poor McLaren, can't seem to escape needing to rely on German know-how.

10 September 2009

[quote danny bahr]Poor McLaren, can't seem to escape needing to rely on German know-how.[/quote]

I think that is harsh. If you build a production car, some parts of it are inevitably going to be better supplied by others who are further down the development path. Designing every part of the car from scratch will also be prohibitively expensive.

10 September 2009

[quote Scoobman]I think that is harsh.[/quote]

harsh doesn't come into it. I know this is slightly off the topic of McLaren F1 but nowhere in the McLaren/Autocar blurb so far on the road car MC thingy do they divulge that their 'in-house' engine actually comes from Mahle Powertrain company. Okay, Mahle bought what was Cosworth as I understand it but for McLaren to give the impression to gullible punters that their new pride and joy road car is a throroughbred with a from the ground up, clean sheet, in-house designed, engineered, developed and produced engine is plain deceitful.

10 September 2009

[quote danny bahr]- like their 'own engine' for the MC12 road car, which turns out to be largely designed, developed and wholly contracted-out manufactured by Mahle(Mahle Powertain), from Mahle Group, out of Stuttgart, Germany. Poor McLaren, can't seem to escape needing to rely on German know-how.[/quote]

What on earth are you talking about? The MC12 is a Maserati. And please cut the jingoism, there isn't a car company on the planet which doesn't have some part of it produced in a different country.

Anyway, as for the MP4-12C's engine, apparently it actually uses a brand new unit. The entire car is supposedly built from bespoke components, so McLaren Automotive appears to be operating independently from the big manufacturers.

11 September 2009

I think both McLaren and Mercedes-Benz have realised it is better to go their separate ways than to try to make this partnership work.

I don't think there is that much bad blood between the two. It's just a matter they have agreed to disagree and move on. Time will tell who is right. Mercedes Benz sees an opportunity to own and operate its own F1 team with the proven Ross Brawn running the team.

I think McLaren will continue to use the Mercedes Benz engine as it is, by most accounts, the best on the pitlane. The likelihood of McLaren being powered by BMW or Honda in the near future is close to zero as BMW and Honda are out of F1 for an extended period.

I'd tip Sebastien Vettel and Nico Roberg (or Nico Hulkenberg) to drive for the new Mercedes Benz F1 team.

The remaining question is: what is Mercedes Benz going to do with its 40% stake in the McLaren Group?

11 September 2009

[quote Vertigo]

[quote danny bahr]- like their 'own engine' for the MC12 road car, which turns out to be largely designed, developed and wholly contracted-out manufactured by Mahle(Mahle Powertain), from Mahle Group, out of Stuttgart, Germany. Poor McLaren, can't seem to escape needing to rely on German know-how.[/quote]

What on earth are you talking about? The MC12 is a Maserati. And please cut the jingoism, there isn't a car company on the planet which doesn't have some part of it produced in a different country.

Anyway, as for the MP4-12C's engine, apparently it actually uses a brand new unit. The entire car is supposedly built from bespoke components, so McLaren Automotive appears to be operating independently from the big manufacturers.

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you silly little man, of course i was not referring to a Maserati. The McLaren road car name is a silly thing that does not lend itself to easy recall - that was my point of 'MC thingy' which was too subtle for you to pick up on. Never mind, worse things happen at sea.

As to jingoism that too is plain silly. First, there is a place for national sentiment; to deny that is to ignore what in-part motivates many actions. Mercedes-Benz/Daimler's desire to have more control over their F1 motorsport team plays to this sentiment. They wish to have a German driver in the team too. It will race in full 'silver arrows' livery, with a main, major German company sponsor's name on it. I leave you to draw your own conclusions.

As to the MP-xx? thingy roadcar - surely named by an autism/asperger's syndrome sufferer - I repeat that McLaren and Autocar have set out to hide the fact that the engine for this is not truly, 'one-hundred per cent McLaren', their own and owes at least the outsourced manufacture to a German-owned company, Mahle, most famous for its pistons, and probably a good deal to at least joint design and devlopment by McLaren people with Mahle Powertrain of the whole concept and detailed engineering. Would be better if McLaren had been up-front about this, as surely there is little shame in having to rely upon a company that till recently was called Cosworth Engineering and obviously has great resonance in Great Britain. That was my point, not silly nonsense about jingoism, merely facts and that nationalism and a common culture do come into business motivations, as can also be witnessed by the advocacy of most of the German interested parties in Opel/Vauxhall for purchase by a company, Magna, whose founder emanated from German-speaking Austria.

11 September 2009

This isn't exactly new news. Autosport have been reporting a tie-up between Merc and Brawn for a couple of weeks now Everyone is assuming the partnership with McLaren will finish, but both sides have said there is no change in their situation.

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