The UK has until the end of the year to draft a plan to dramatically cut pollution

Britain’s Supreme Court has ordered the UK government to submit a new plan to the European Union that will outline action to dramatically reduce levels of the pollutant nitrogen dioxide. The plan has to be submitted by 31 December.

ClientEarth, an environmental law group, brought the case as part of a long-running legal battle. ClientEarth named 16 cities and wider metropolitan areas in the UK as being affected by the pollutant, including the urban West Midlands, Greater Manchester, Merseyside, the North East and West Yorkshire.

It’s highly likely that any plan will bear down heavily on diesel-powered road transport, especially older vehicles. Commercial vehicles will be in the firing line, along with buses and taxis.

Although the new government could introduce incentive schemes for scrapping older diesel vehicles, there is some concern that even many of the latest Euro 6-rated diesel engines are producing far more nitrogen dioxide emissions in ‘real-world’ traffic conditions than in official tests.

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10 May 2015
....... and suddenly there's an excuse to tax the diesel motorist. What a surprise. Man made climate change my jacksy.


10 May 2015
Winston Churchill wrote:

....... and suddenly there's an excuse to tax the diesel motorist. What a surprise. Man made climate change my jacksy.

And you two - it's impossible to have a sensible debate on this issue if you refuse to acknowledge science. CO2 is locally harmless but that's far from the whole story.

10 May 2015
It's not an excuse to tax the diesel motorist, it is to tax the diesels which are killer in the city. Nobody has an issue with a EURO 6 diesel, it is the taxis and their ilk.

Cars should pay more if no stop-start (at CC times) and taxis should all be taken outof the city.

As someone who spends a lot of time walking and driving in London, it is absolutely necessary.

10 May 2015
Hands up if you believe man is warming the planet. The facts are the temperature has been flat lining for the last 17 years hence the change of name to Climate Change. This is a huge deception on the part of Globalists that want to control everything, surveil everything and ultimately control tax revenues wherever you live, It's is a SCAM. But hey don't worry folks keep watching big brother and reading the daily fail and it will all seem perfectly normal.

 Offence can only be taken not given- so give it back!

10 May 2015
This 'temperatures have flatlined' argument is ignorant, peddled only by professional deniers and fools. The facts are there for those who choose to look and readings from both poles and many other places in between show it up as total nonsense.

10 May 2015
In the middle ages they were a lot higher. Now the last time I checked we didn't have the internal combustion engine back then so how do you account for these high temperatures? You need to do your own research and understand that a lot of government funded research only gets published if it suits a particular agenda , take the WMD debacle and the strange death of the worlds leading expert on biological & chemical weapons Dr David Kelly. In that case the agenda was regime change and we now know that Iraq had nothing to do with the attacks in America. You carry on believing government propaganda if you like but some real scientist have now discovered that the only correlation between Co2 & temperature rises are that after a rise in global temperatures due likely from solar activity a rise in Co2 occurs but lags behind these temperature rises. But don't take my word for this do you own research or just keep bending over every time some twat like Boris Johnston insists that you pay for some new tax or whatever.

 Offence can only be taken not given- so give it back!

11 May 2015
DBtechnician wrote:

Hands up if you believe man is warming the planet. The facts are the temperature has been flat lining for the last 17 years hence the change of name to Climate Change. This is a huge deception on the part of Globalists that want to control everything, surveil everything and ultimately control tax revenues wherever you live, It's is a SCAM. But hey don't worry folks keep watching big brother and reading the daily fail and it will all seem perfectly normal.

If you actually read the article it is about localised smog and NOx....not climate change

Smog can be seen and NOx measured., your comments on Climate Change aren't even relevant here (whether they have factual basis or not)

11 May 2015
You make a good point about the local smog & NOx and like you I agree that diesel engines are stinky things, however we have been sold the idea that we are responsible for temperature rises and our government has encouraged diesel use through tax incentives while petrol engines have been heavily taxed because of Co2 measurements, those small petrol engines that seem to be great while under test perform nothing like that out in the real world. The article even states that Euro 6 compliant engines may come under fire. If only cars ran on fumes generated by the bullshit produced by politicians and NGO's we would have an energy surplus.

 Offence can only be taken not given- so give it back!

10 May 2015
The point about "man-made" climate change being bunkum is probably right. Unfortunately the point made by Ubizzie is also valid as I also live in a city centre full of diesel taxis, buses, cars and trucks and the particulate pollution is worse than ever. I have an internal balcony at my apartment I'd it is not cleaned for 2 weeks or so the build up of black dust is noticeable. When I lived in Cyprus with a balcony at my apartment no such issues. Autocar has been really slow with this story and the ruling will apply to all diesels even EU6 compliant cars because of DPF issues on short journeys and the NO2 they emit. Client Earth apparently claimed that all diesels are responsible for 90%+ of particulate pollution and the same for NO2. Given that most cities are looking at how London introduces the ULEZ between now and 2019 and that some London boroughs are already charging more for residents parking permits if you have a diesel the writing is on the wall for diesels. As stated on another thread even if you need diesel cars because you drive long distances the probability is that ULEZ charges for driving from Leeds to London will be high enough to wipe out any cost saving over a petrol or petrol-hybrid. Before all the diesel fans start "trolling" on this thread and likely this post the fact is the court rejected the arguments in favour of diesels. The Labour transport secretary from Gordon Brown's government has already stated on this court case and on Channel 4's Dispatches about 3 months ago that the Labour government made a massive mistake promoting diesels. It would seem all of this is why all new London taxis have to have full electric or petrol-electric hybrid engines as from next year. Soon passenger cars will all have petrol, full electric or petrol-electric hybrids too. VW having only just introduced an all diesel Passat range must be having a couple of second thoughts. As I said though this is the highest court in the land rejecting the diesel argument so take it up with their Lordships.

10 May 2015
If any of the ant diesel commentators can actually be bothered to read the proposals by the London Mayor on the future London ULEZ, ultra low emissions zone,they would find the following:

The proposal, not a law and subject to a lengthy consultation period, is that from January 2018 all new London taxis would have to be able to run zero emissions in certain streets affected by high Nox levels. The vehicles proposed would be diesel or petrol hybrids or wholly electric, there are no vehicles currently available that meet the taxi rules and the proposed new law. There would need to be huge infrastructure improvements ie 22,000 taxis need more than 120 fast chargers.
Since 2012 London taxis must not be older than 15 years and although some want that reduced to ten years that would cost a fortune for taxi users, there is no proposal to ban the use of diesel in London. There is a scheme in operation to bring in 1600 new diesel electric hybrid buses, those that Autocar were involved with, also many old London buses will be retrofitted with cleaner diesels.
As others have pointed out by September of this year all new registered cars must meet Euro VI which reduces Nox by 84% from Euro V. As for Fadyady's comment that diesels only make sense in cars that are used on long journeys on motorways not in towns that could not be more wrong. Diesel cars greatest efficiency improvement over petrol is in short journeys from cold in stop start motoring, after all why do you think taxis and buses use diesel?

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