European governments failed to make the most of schemes
8 June 2010

The potential of scrappage schemes around Europe hasn't been maximised, according to BMW board member Ian Robertson.

"I don't think any government made the most of what could have been achieved out of the scrappage system," Robertson told the Daily Telegraph.

"They didn't really stimulate green, efficient cars for example, they stimulated cheap and cheerful cars, largely manufactured outside the European Union.

"Governments had a great opportunity if they stimulated the market. They missed some chances and now there is some fallout."

Daniel Thomas

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8 June 2010

he is an idiot.

cheap and chearful cars are the best, even if they have the average emission engines.

the reason they are cheap is because they are small, not much material resources to construct. the interiors are spartan, extremely basic and lacking in tech etc this also saves thousands of parts from various factories over the world. tiny city cars are not going to be driven tens of thousands of miles every year on the road network.

8 June 2010

Sounds like more like a whinge to me in that not everyone considered a BMW under the scrappage scheme. Maybe, just maybe, people instead wanted a cheap car and possibly get as much as they could for their money. Or did BMW actually have a low-key offer where they offered £50k for you car and all you had to do is stump up £5k to get a new M3?

8 June 2010

[quote Lanehogger]

Sounds like more like a whinge to me in that not everyone considered a BMW under the scrappage scheme. Maybe, just maybe, people instead wanted a cheap car and possibly get as much as they could for their money. Or did BMW actually have a low-key offer where they offered £50k for you car and all you had to do is stump up £5k to get a new M3?

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He's not whinging. He's pointing out the obvious: a) the various scrappage schemes were dressed up as primarily environmental measures, all in the homage of the great CO2 God and AGW - which is b ollocks - but in practice churned out largely Euro 3/4 emissions sh!tboxes, and b) the rather more important point that us as Europeans chucked billions of pounds and euros the way of non-European companies from European taxpayer funds. What point is there in a European identity for the average Brit, German, Italian etc. if there is no reward or point for being in Europe?

8 June 2010

Absolutely spot on, Nick.

8 June 2010

Really? Then please explain how VW's numbers are up. Substantially. Ditto PSA. Even MB.

BMW whinges because they didn't have the right product for interest punters. Also a bit rich to blame scrappage for their lack of compelling product. For the vast majority of their current product line, the emperor has no clothes....

8 June 2010

Crumbs. For the first time I actually agree with Nick. Let's face it, the scrappage schemes did absolutely nothing to foster development of the lower-emissions cars of the future, which was supposed to be one of the objectives.

8 June 2010

I agree with Nick. Most people who took advantage of this scheem bought Kias and Hyundais and the like.

[quote skiwi]BMW whinges because they didn't have the right product for interest punters. Also a bit rich to blame scrappage for their lack of compelling product. For the vast majority of their current product line, the emperor has no clothes....
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Well lets think about this logically. If you are running a ten year old car it's cos u can't afford a new one. Getting £2k off the price of a £30K BM isn't going to help....

8 June 2010

Well, I agree with skiwi. BMW are miffed because they didn't have a product to take advantage of the scheme. Which is the same thing as saying they didn't have a product reflecting contemporary (ie hard-up) motorists' needs. Governments all over Europe are making huge spending cuts, not just our one (Germany 86bn euro cuts, Spain 5% wage cuts etc) so being hard up is not going to go away anytime soon. BMW is going to have to fill this gap eventually, or stay on a melting iceberg.

8 June 2010

[quote mantaray]If you are running a ten year old car it's cos u can't afford a new one.[/quote] I think you might find a few people on here disagreeing with that statement.

8 June 2010

I agree with that statement ( Mantaray.s statement that is )

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