Cutting-edge cameras to be tested in Leeds
25 February 2008

Motorists will be targeted by a new generation of automated road cameras, called dtect, which can decipher how many people are in a moving vehicle using a low-intensity infrared beam to detect human skinThe camera has been designed, amongst other things, to nab lone motorists who use mannequins and decoys to fool the existing CCTV system policing the high-occupancy vehicle lane (HOVL). The camera sends an infrared beam through the windscreen, which can then detect the make-up of blood and water content in human skin.The new system is currently on trial in car-sharing lanes in Leeds, and it has been reported that “many” councils across England have expressed interest in the scheme.Motoring organisations say that the cameras are a further intrusion on private lives and that existing car-sharing lanes, like those in Birmingham and Leeds, don’t necessarily ease congestion.However, those in favour of the new system say that it will automate the HOVL and make it more efficient.In a bid to reduce congestion and emissions, transport company National Express is lobbying the government to allow their new luxury coach service – currently operating between Milton Keynes and London – access to high occupancy vehicle lanes.Roads minister Rosie Winterton has welcomed the idea of these unique cameras by saying, “We're certainly encouraging local authorities to look at innovative solutions to the problems that are created by congestion. High-occupancy vehicle lanes can be part of that because they certainly encourage car sharing. It also contributes to improving the environment and can cut the cost of travelling as well".

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26 February 2008

Has the Department of Transport done their sums? For example the M4. Have they noticed that while buses 'bus share' with say 20 people in a bus is that as far as these maths-deficient Government 'experts' do their calculations?

Shouldn't Govt calculations also include that the M4 bus lane employs 120ft of road for a bus on 2 miles of empty tarmac?

While the 2 car lanes each have 2 miles of congested cars moving 2,000 people. Using a road to move 20 people in a bus on a VIP bus lane compared to hundreds in cars on the same use of the asset would have any normal maths, engineer or physics student scurrying to have the road used for cars on a 'utilisation of available assets' basis.

It's not important how full the cup, it's how empty, inefficient and unproductive the bus or car-sharing lane is? Common sense to all but the anti-car idiots in Govt!

My bet if the Govt took off their green-tinted spectacles the bus and car sharing lanes would be scrapped and given over to the people who paid for the roads - the 'often overlooked' humble motorist.

Roads minister Rosie Winterton has welcomed the idea of these unique cameras by saying, “We're certainly ...at innovative solutions to the problems that are created by congestion. High-occupancy vehicle lanes can be part of that because they certainly encourage car sharing. It also contributes to improving the environment and can cut the cost of travelling as well".

If you'd like to "cut the cost of travelling" may I suggest the Dept of Tyranny looks a little closer to home at 300% fuel duties, CO2 tax on cars and aeroplanes and the £40bn tax grab off motorists.

26 February 2008

So do you actually drive a Boxster, JJ?

26 February 2008

Anti-car politics are merely trendy, popularist and beyond normal reason. The arithmetic used by such has different rules than normal arithmetic. The numbers add up to what they say they add up to and backed-up with a little man in a goatee stating incontravertantly that black is actually white and 'delta-aich equalls cee emm delta-theta' that impresses the dim and easily manipulated. i.e. Anti-car politicians.

The teflon-coated Ken Livingston is a classic example of beyond normal reasoning. London doesn't need him. In fact, it doesn't need a Mayor, as the title seems to attract incompetent loons, regardless of how well meaning they are............

Sorry, I've appear to have 'gone off on one' as the saying goes.........Transport policy does this to me.

26 February 2008

I think you are wrong for this reason. Anti-car politics exists because large numbers of people from across the political spectrum are fed up of the negative impact that cars have on their lives. Very few political commentators have singled out any of the anti-car measures that have been taken as unpopular and there are some signs that these ideas have widespread popular support. Ken being Mayor of London, for instance.

I love cars but you only have to step out of your front door in most parts of the country - the noise, the visible pollution (never mind if climate change is true or not), the general unpleasantness of using our streets caused by motor transport of all kinds - to see that we have given too much leeway in their use and that more controls should be put in place.

There is a general attitude on this forum that roads and streets exist purely for cars but motorists are just one in a whole range of road users and their needs have been put before everyone elses for far too long.

26 February 2008

Agreed to a certain extent, Simon. But why invent spurious ideas that have zero impact, and in some cases worsen the situation, on congestion? Is it for fear of being found out that they really don't know what to do?

Just because it has popular support doesn't mean it's the right idea. Put simply, aspects of road management are popular because the electorate is simply being lied to and are desirous of the belief that the ideas that are being pedaled will improve things.

It just has not happened.......and we carry on paying more and more. Thats my, big thing, point.

26 February 2008

Cheeky Bastards. Christ if they could charge you for breathing im sure they would create a tax on that as well. Where does all our Road Tax money go cos it certianly doesnt go on any roads ive been on lately. Pot holes, bad surfacing and raised manhole covers are the order of the day in my neck of the woods. Hope there are some good,well maintained roads out there. Its what keeps me sane looking for that pure unadulterated quiet blacktop. Guess i will just have to keep on looking....

26 February 2008

Sounds like a great idea....but its not going to work....

What happens if you don't have a passenger in the front seat, but you do have one behind the driver....or its a private hire taxi.....

and....if you have a BMW, Renault or one of the other makes that offer IR filtering windscreens, then it will be finding cars with no passengers at all.

26 February 2008

[quote Stephen Guckel]Agreed to a certain extent, Simon. But why invent spurious ideas that have zero impact, and in some cases worsen the situation, on congestion? Is it for fear of being found out that they really don't know what to do? [/quote]

I think you have a good point here, and to some extent Londoners are being used as guinea pigs, but there is ongoing pressure to reduce congestion, to reduce car use, to reduce pollution, the latter whether you agree with the reality climate change or not.

It does seem that independent bodies agree that the existing congestion charge has reduced traffic levels by a siginificant amount, and there is every chance that the other TfL plans will work too, whether there is popular support or not.

But Ken, and other local authorities around the country, are going to be experimenting over the next few years with all kinds of ways of reducing and managing traffic levels. Some schemes will work, some won't. But we are all going to have to make some mental shifts when it comes to how we use cars and where we drive them.

26 February 2008

Simon Wells - Pretty much none of you're statements hold any water.. as usual!

"Anti-car politics exists because large numbers of people from across the political spectrum are fed up of the negative impact that cars have on their lives."

There are 30M cars in Britain (pop 65M). Even if we don't car-share that moves approx. 30M people around the country every day. You think "large numbers of people" are on your anti-car side please think again - long and hard.

Do a calculation of how much wealth, productivity, efficiency the car provides humanity. You're calculator would run out of space. You have a fools appreciation of the value of the car and a eco-swallowing value of the mobility, freedom and efficiency the car provides..

"Very few political commentators have singled out any of the anti-car measures that have been taken as unpopular and there are some signs that these ideas have widespread popular support." The reverse is much nearer the truth. Motorists are fed up to the back teeth with anti-car schemes, taxes and turning streets into a farce. 30M cars shows how succesful, popular and indespensible the car is.

"I love cars but you only have to step out of your front door in most parts of the country - the noise, the visible pollution (never mind if climate change is true or not),"

OK take a look at the London CC zone. Cars have dropped 33% and been replaced with buses and taxis. Pollution is exactly the same the day it was introduced. So why don't you support banning public transport which is only kept alive by huge subsidies from motorists pockets?

Alternatively replace the car with bicycles. Huff Puff. Nation at a standstill. Walking. Nation at a halt. Horses. 300tons of street dung to clear a day and methane.

The fact is the car is magnificantly efficient, productive and wealth generating. It's here to stay. Better get used to it.

26 February 2008

[quote JJBoxster]

Simon Wells - Pretty much none of you're statements hold any water.. as usual!

[/quote] What do you mean "as usual"? JJ, why do your manners desert you when you enter a debate? Why can't you make a point without flying into a written rage? Why can't you communicate with someone without attempting to belittle them? Why on why, do you find it so difficult to concede even when the person you are debating with makes a valid point - because I see others concede to yours?

More than anyone who posts on this forum, you really do need to leave the car keys in the fruitbowl and maybe take a long walk. Better still, get to Halfords and buy yourself a bike. A little exercise might wear off some of that negative energy. Responding to your 71 paragraph rants is so....tiring! You don't come across as a car enthusiast but as a fanatic. You're really not much fun to forum with.

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