First urban average speed cameras to be introduced this year
19 January 2010

Average-speed cameras are to be introduced on a major urban road for the first time.

In total, 84 cameras are to be installed on a 7.5 mile stretch of the A13 in east London, ready for use by next summer. They will operate between Canning Town and the Goresbrook interchange.

However, the speed limit will be raised from 40mph to 50mph on a section of the route once the cameras are in place.

Transport for London said it hoped the cameras would halve the number of people killed or seriously injured along the road.

It added that the collision rate on that stretch of the road has been almost a fifth higher than is typical of major roads in London.

Nearly 500 collisions, including three fatal and 34 serious accidents were recorded on this stretch of road between 2006 and 2008, with half the collisions caused by speeding, according to TfL.

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19 January 2010

So, the UK is more broke than an RBS-owned Renault Megane and yet oodles of money can be found to buy, install and run a dozen cameras per mile on one stretch of road. East Germany had nothing on NuBritain.

19 January 2010

I never thought i would find myself advocating the use of 'safety' cameras but the road in question really is a danger in places and this is actually a GOOD idea.

phew, there, i have said it !

19 January 2010

[quote Howey]I never thought i would find myself advocating the use of 'safety' cameras but the road in question really is a danger in places and this is actually a GOOD idea.[/quote]

The irony here is that the location where the majority of the incidents occur, the Lodge Avenue flyover, is where the cameras will have least effect, as in both directions the average speed of traffic is very much reduced by the Renwick Road junction (the first set of cameras is before the lights, the next set after the flyover - from a London-bound point-of-view).

The problem with the flyover is the inappropriate speed limit set. 40mph. Sharp change of incline, narrow lanes, sharp(ish) turns, no central reservation. Locals have been asking for a lower speed limit and fixed camera for the flyover years. One accident, closing the whole flyover, occurs pretty much every four to six weeks. This will not change when the average cameras start operating. The only fixed camera in this location is beyond a tricky junction, and just at the point where the speed limit increases from 40 to 50mph (though still in the 40mph zone). This, together with the Renwick Road junction (eastbound) causes the bunching that contributes to accidents on the flyover itself. I'm told that the fixed cameras are not being removed or decomissioned.

[quote From the story][TfL] added that the collision rate on that stretch of the road has been almost a fifth higher than is typical of major roads in London.[/quote]

TfL will not conceed that the Lodge Avenue flyover is a problem that requires extra measures. This stretch of the A13 is, to all intents and purposes, a new road (Alfred's Way to Canning Town), which has had a number of fixed cameras in each direction since redevelopment. Are TfL conceeding that road users are using a road that is dangerous by design?

19 January 2010

I agree Colonel, although I haven't been through Canning Town since 1995 so don't know how the roads have changed since then.

If the road is as dangerous at it appears, surely it would be better to fix it than position safety/speed cameras and why INCREASE the speed limit?

19 January 2010

Am i being cynical, but is the increase in a secton of the road from 40-50, purely to confuse people and thus make them go though the 50 zone at 50, then enter the 40 zone without realising and get a ticket for doing 50 in a 40?

If the whole thing were 40 then everyone would know where they stand and less money would be made.

19 January 2010

[quote trocadero]I agree Colonel, although I haven't been through Canning Town since 1995 so don't know how the roads have changed since then. [/quote]

From Barking: Movers Lane flyover gone, now underpass, 3 lanes each way. Beckton Flyover replaced for a new flyover, 3 lanes each way, 30mph limit (camera at foot, eastbound side, no accidents pre camera, must have been dangerous by design). Prince Regent now an underpass. Canning Town flyover widened, with lanes realigned to take prevailing traffic into Aspen Way / Limehouse Link rather than towards Blackwall.

It's a mess. For example, joining from Prince Regent, local roads, light trafffic, nice long slip road, 40mph limit, no camera. Joining from A406, eastbound, major road, heavy traffic, very short slip road, 40mph limit, camera in place but beyond the end of the slip road, not before it (as with the westbound camera at Movers Lane).

19 January 2010

Speed cameras, correctly placed, are a good idea and always have been, but not as a replacement for a effective rounded road safety policy.

It all depends on how the local authorities manage the service. The increase of fines should not be considered a success. This would indicate otherwise.

19 January 2010

[quote The Colonel]

[quote trocadero]I agree Colonel, although I haven't been through Canning Town since 1995 so don't know how the roads have changed since then. [/quote]

From Barking: Movers Lane flyover gone, now underpass, 3 lanes each way. Beckton Flyover replaced for a new flyover, 3 lanes each way, 30mph limit (camera at foot, eastbound side, no accidents pre camera, must have been dangerous by design). Prince Regent now an underpass. Canning Town flyover widened, with lanes realigned to take prevailing traffic into Aspen Way / Limehouse Link rather than towards Blackwall.

It's a mess. For example, joining from Prince Regent, local roads, light trafffic, nice long slip road, 40mph limit, no camera. Joining from A406, eastbound, major road, heavy traffic, very short slip road, 40mph limit, camera in place but beyond the end of the slip road, not before it (as with the westbound camera at Movers Lane).

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Glad I live in rural Cheshire now, that sounds like a real cock up of the first order!. Was it done under the infleunce/instruction of Ken Livingstone and his associates by chance?

19 January 2010

[quote trocadero]Was it done under the infleunce/instruction of Ken Livingstone and his associates by chance?
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I take it you didn't know Boris Johnson is the Mayor? Ken's been out of the job for almost 2 years.

19 January 2010

500 accidents between 2006 & 2008! That is a terrible figure. It suggests to me that the ROAD is fundamentally dangerous. TfL suggest that over half of the accidents are caused by speeding, but that contradicts general research which says that about 5% of accidents are caused by speed.

I don't know the road, but it sounds like TfL should be taking the blame for not improving a dangerous road instead of blaming drivers. The cameras might reduce accidents a bit, but they don't seem to be addressing the real cause.

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