Slip behind the wheel, and you'll notice no similarities to the original Defender beyond a general feeling of simplicity and durability

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The Land Rover Defender is an institution and unbeatable off road, if crude on it

12 November 2011

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14 November 2011

judge dredd here we come....

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14 November 2011

[quote Autocar] Hard to think that it can be so closely related to a snorkel-equipped expedition vehicle with slogging four-cylinder diesel, a manual gearbox, a snorkel, roof lights and roof-rack for fuel drums and spare wheels. Or a farm pick-up with a fabric canopy and a couple of sheepdogs in the back. Yet this is what the Defender will continue to be.[/quote]

If this holds true through to production, then maybe, just maybe, it will be a worthy successor.

14 November 2011

This looks like a perfectly plausible product. But it is no way whatsoever a Defender. Can you imagine anyone at all who drives a current Defender driving this?

14 November 2011

What a hideous Tonka-toy-derived piece of plastic that will no doubt be very capable but in no way will be considered a "Defender" by current owners / drivers / admirers. Let the old Defender die in peace and call this one something else.

14 November 2011

I have never owned, or are likely to own, a defender, but I think they are fantastic beasts. Totally iconic, but sadly in desperate need of replacement. However, I can see there being a number of different variants for this (as there should be).

The standard Land Rover version for the masses, more expensive than the Freelander, but cheaper than the disco. This may even look a little softer than the other versions.

The commercial version that is closer to the original roots of usability, off road ability more important than road, more mechanical than electrical mechanics Etc.

And what ever version the army requires

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14 November 2011

Fantastic, this is what Land Rovers are all about - The new Defender will be an instant hit and ensure Land Rover survives in the future.

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14 November 2011

and they say the chinese copy!!

Could not look more like a Renault/Dacia Duster around the nose if it tried.

14 November 2011

So in all probability the future Defender will be built on a modified T5 platform. While this is definitely a progress from the present Defender, I see two major drawbacks:

  • Weight: The Discovery and the RR Sport presently based on the T5 are very heavy UVs. This must be addressed if the future Defender is to be built on the same platform. Additional weight means the next Defender will need a larger thus more expensive engines, especially if it needs to retain the same off roading powers. Also as a utility vehicle running costs are very important, it must be light enough to be powered by an efficient 4 cyl diesel.
  • Cost: The T5 architecture is expensive. I doubt it will help resolve the Defenders pricing problems. To gnaw back lost market share from the Japanese, Defenders must be a VFM alternative.

14 November 2011

[quote shortbread]Weight: [/quote]

Ah, yes, but some of that weight is to combat NVH issues (have you ever looked under the rear of one at the suspended lumps of pig iron hanging out the back?) which would not be as much of a requirement on a Defender replacement; and the design of the chassis is evolving to reduce weight. The new Defender T5 chassis would be considerably lighter then the Disco/RRS one.

[quote shortbread]Cost:[/quote]

Indeed, it's expensive, but the R&D has paid for itself by now, (notwithstanding the tweaks above) and they already have the tooling. How much do you think Seat paid for the Exeo chassis? Probably 1/10th of the cost of developing one from the ground up.

Admittedly it wouldn't be my first choice to keep the T5, but it makes an economical and engineering winner for what is likely to be a low-volume niche product.

14 November 2011

A fine lifestyle product but quite simply not a Defender.

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