Audi is to expand its SUV line-up, which will include a lighter Q7
23 November 2012

A number of new SUVs could be added to Audi’s already-extensive range. 

These include a new-generation Q7 SUV, 350kg lighter than the current car and at least one more coupé-like SUV that will slot between the Q3 and Q5. A sub-Q3 baby SUV is also planned, possibly inspired by the Crosslane Coupé, which was unveiled at September's Paris motor show.

Audi’s head of technical development, Wolfgang Durheimer, told Autocar the next-generation Q7 will benefit from a new ‘multi-materials’ version of Audi’s next-generation MLB platform. 

An updated version of the architecture that underpins today’s A4 to A7 models, the super-light version of the new MLB architecture used by the 2014 Q7 will mix steel, aluminium and carbonfibre structural parts. New riveting and bonding techniques are used in the construction and the bare body shell will be 200kg lighter than today’s Q7. 

The new Q7 structure is also likely to be used by the next Porsche Cayenne, Bentley Continental and forthcoming SUV.

The Audi management team will meet within the next week or so to prioritise these future projects, with the most important to get the green light immediately.

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23 November 2012

"Next-gen Audi Q7 to shed 350kg"

What are they doing?  Making the door mirrors smaller?

Or does that mean it can also be a shed that can consume up to 350kg?

 

 

 

23 November 2012

The Colonel was always going to be the first with snide comment I suppose. But tell you what mate - wouldnt you be grinning from ear to there and back if you had a success like Audi to your business portfolio? 

As to shedding 350, most is obviously down to the new platform (rather than the wing mirrors or garden shed) .. and as this will be applied to all models down the line, consumption figures can only improve considerably and thereby the punters will be the great benificiary. New Coupe ? No thanks - sick of X6's since they even painted one on a piece of paper let alone stuck it on the roads. Smaller Q, this could well become their biggest seller and might hurt Golf sales. Wait and see, but of course we know (and accept) it will be a Xerox downsized Q7

 

The market men at Audi seem to be able to do no wrong despite an army led by the Colonel of haters

what's life without imagination

23 November 2012

5wheels wrote:

The Colonel was always going to be the first with snide comment I suppose.

I'm really not sure how you could have possibly arrived at the conclusion that I am a "hater" of Audi.  Previous ownership of a superbly competent car would kind of knock that one out of the park, but aside from that I doubt you will have read anything by me that declares a hatred of any particular manufacturer of motor cars, at all.  It is not in my make up.

I present it as a bit of week-end humour, based upon the headline - which I quoted, and my own particular view that the door mirrors, of the existing Q7, are comically large.  Some may take it as some weak-end humour.  You take it as a snide comment.  I really don't give one.

 

 

 

23 November 2012

Yes, but I'm sure the 2014 Audi Q7/next gen. Porsche Cayenne/Bentley Falcon will still be trumped by the 2012 Range Rover, according to Cropley et al.

You have to laugh. Just as Autocar and all the other British auto rags fell over themselves to see who could suck up most to the "Best SUV/World's first all aluminium SUV/Best Car in the World", the Germans move the game on two or three steps.

The "all aluminium" thing is a dead-end, rooted in dated tech. The trumpeted 2012 Range Rover uses the decade old Jaguar XJ(X350) platform, developed in the early 2000s, by the now derided Ford and its deep, deep pockets.

What was cutting edge and the be all and end all of lightweight vehicle structure in the mid to late 90s/early 2000s is not applicable moving into the middle of the second decade of the new century.

Audi(VW group), BMW, and Daimler are all investing heavily in mass-production applicable, carbon reinforced materials. They have also moved on the art of high strength steels. The aim is not to have an alloy body per se, but the optimum mix of conventional and new materials, whilst *still* being economic at high volume output levels.

The hyped claim of the 2012 R/Rover losing 420 kg was just that, hype. Like for like, V8 diesel to V8 diesel, not V6 option to old V8 option, the weight reduction is around 200 kg.

Contrary to the constant massive PR hype put out about Tata's massive investment in JLR, all its 'new' products are still based on Ford-developed platforms, powertrains and materials knowhow. The forthcoming 'new' XK, according to Georg Kacher, will be a 'development' of the existing 2005 platform, which itself is again based off the 2002 X350 platform. The 'new' F-type, as Jaguar admits, is read-across XK platform and powertrain(the 'new' V6 petrol is the old AJ-V8 with two cylinders lopped off, and apparently even shares the same engine block casting!), with a lopped off boot. The 'new' R/Rover and 2013 R/R Sport are, as has been said, using the XJ's platform.

Tata and JLR have not invested in the next level of lightweight structures and material knowhow and application tech. This is extremely expensive; as Ford showed with the then all-new X350 platform over a decade ago. Until Tata/JLR show that they are getting into this area - carbon, genuine multi-material structures - not just composite added-on tailgates for instance - then we will have to assume Tata is more interested in 'sweating' its asset, and exploiting the last dregs of Ford's legacy of high cost investment in basic structures and materials knowhow, now over a decade ago.

23 November 2012

benzpassionblog wrote:

Yes, but I'm sure the 2014 Audi Q7/next gen. Porsche Cayenne/Bentley Falcon will still be trumped by the 2012 Range Rover, according to Cropley et al.

You have to laugh. Just as Autocar and all the other British auto rags fell over...............Tata is more interested in 'sweating' its asset, and exploiting the last dregs of Ford's legacy of high cost investment in basic structures and materials knowhow, now over a decade ago.

Wondered how long before some deusch loving brown nosing child would have an orgasm learning audi is supposedly going to make a particular variant of q7 350kgs lighter, forgetting the fact that its present kerb weight is more than 2.5 tonnes!!!!! Where exactly did the so called cutting edge R&D fairy tales of yours loose the plot when they launched this behemoth 5 years ago??

How do you know if this new 'lighter' q7 is not a poverty specced 2 wheel drive powered by a 4cyl diesel (a la ml250)?! Have you even driven a Range Rover?!! Have you seen any non British review of the Range Rover where they do not say its not the best SUV in the world?!

The fact is you know faff all, so get your facts straight before pointing your willy at anything non German; and go get a life.

23 November 2012

5wheels, what are you on about? How is that guy being an 'Audi-basher'?

I owned two Q7s and I think the car is well and truly past it now. Pretty much every Audi is outclassed by Mercs and other rivals on everything bar interior quality, and even then the rivals are close or as good now. 

I have nothing against the brand, but they do make some terrible cars as well as some decent ones, and by acknowledging that, one isn't an 'Audi-basher'.

Judging by the comments, if anything, you are more an 'Audi-fanboy' than the other guy is an 'Audi-basher'.

23 November 2012

SunnyL wrote:

Pretty much every Audi is outclassed by Mercs and other rivals on everything bar interior quality, and even then the rivals are close or as good now.

- would that it were so! As much as I admire Mercedes-Benz, even Zetsche semi-publicly acknowledges that Mercedes is currently playing catch up with Audi. Audi is currently streaking ahead of Mercedes and of BMW. It's not just marketing. Stuff like the new S8, the new 4.0l twin-turbo V8, the new A3, the massive-selling Q5, etc. etc., they give nightmares to Zetsche and Reithofer.

sunnyL wrote:

I have nothing against the brand, but they do make some terrible cars as well as some decent ones

they don't make terrible cars. they haven't a single dud. that's why they are thee No.1 brand in the world today. With Porsche and its awe-inspiring engineers rolled into the VW group, and aligned formally with Audi's for products like the new Q7, Cayenne and so on BMW and Mercedes will have to work even harder to just stay on the pace, no mistake.

As for the prospects of the company making "the best car in the world" -  R/Rover - and stuff like the rebodied-XK F-type, and Freelander in a frock Evoque, against this onslaught of new tech, materials and masses of new products form Piech's empire, god help the poor bastards.

23 November 2012

benzpassionblog wrote:
sunnyL wrote:

I have nothing against the brand, but they do make some terrible cars as well as some decent ones

they don't make terrible cars. they haven't a single dud. that's why they are thee No.1 brand in the world today.

You are right that as a range of car models each is a winner - but individual versions of a model?  Not so sure.

The A3 3.2 Sport Quattrro with DSG was sublime.  The A3 1.6 FWD with manual gearbox was worse than a dud.  Truly horrible. 

Not hating.

 

 

23 November 2012

I would say an aluminium floor pan is not more or less advanced than a mix of steel aluminium and carbon fibre . Just a different way of achieving weight loss .

What I would like to point out is the aluminuim would be much cheaper to repair than a mix of materials . When carbon fibre fails it is catastrophic and will need more than a panel beater to repair it .

23 November 2012

...and disappeared completely that would be a real result....

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