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Feb 02 2010

Do electric cars mean the end of servicing as we know it?

Dan Stevens
Just paid a visit to Tesla’s London outlet, tucked away in a side road near Harrods. It’s a suitably chic and upmarket location to sell £94,000 sports cars from, but it’s what’s underneath the building that intrigued me.

Cars slot into a lift and are taken down to the service bay in the basement. Nothing unusual about that, but when you get down there it looks, well, empty. There is nothing more than a few tool chests, a couple of vehicle lifts (and a crane to remove battery packs) and a computer or two. It looks as if the fitting out hasn’t been finished.



This is because much of the stuff you might need to service and repair conventional cars isn’t needed for electric cars. There are no fluids or fluid disposal systems because the Roadster doesn’t have an oil or power steering fluid. The building doesn’t need the extraction equipment you normally find in workshops because there are no gases to extract. An electric car has fewer moving parts in its drivetrain so there is less to wear out so the workshop doesn’t need to be full of spares.

It doesn’t need to carry large stocks of consumables such as brake pads and discs because the car barely uses its friction brakes – the retarding action of the electric motor is such that just lifting off the throttle slows the thing down to the same degree as using the brakes.

Tesla reckons its cars need less servicing than a conventional car – no oil or filters, the brakes don't get much use, there’s no clutch and so on. Much of what is carried out at a Tesla service comprises software upgrades, and Tesla is capable of carrying these out remotely, without having to see the car. And this will hold true for all electric cars, which poses a much bigger problem for the car industry.

Many franchised dealers make a lot of their money from servicing cars. Along with accessories, this is a business model that has driven profitability. But if servicing becomes simpler and quicker, it might have to get cheaper. And that could seriously disrupt how car companies sell and distribute their vehicles.

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Comments

Tabby February 2, 2010 12:52 PM

Umm interesting article.

I would look forward to the day i can do my own servicing

with a software update from my laptop.

If this is the future i cant wait.

Will86 February 2, 2010 12:54 PM

Remote software upgrades seem convenient, I just hope you don't loose the internet connection halfway through...

beachland2 February 2, 2010 1:22 PM

electric motors move dont they? how do they rotate the wheels?

I think the systems still use liquid coolant aswell.

As for the software downloads i would download then for free from the internet, so garages couldnt get away with charging for them. Servicing will be a lot cheaper, but we dont know how long the electric parts last.

disco.stu February 2, 2010 1:33 PM

Certainly an interesting article, but bear in mind that Tesla are a very low-volume manufacturer with one model.  Therefore, they don't need to carry much in the way of spare parts.  My guess would be that Tesla will still suffer the same gremlins that afflict all other manufacturers, so I would be interested to see what their service department looks like in a couple of years time if they continue to be successfui.

Leslie Brook February 2, 2010 1:53 PM

I hope that electric car software updates are more reliable than the updates I regularly have to download for my PC/Laptop and Mobile phone. My laptop now turns itself off on it's own volition, and some times refuses to re-start. My mobile phone has turned it's bluetooth off and refuses to turn it on again. I won't be buying a Microsoft GTi.

Meerkat February 2, 2010 2:12 PM

beachland2, I kind of understand what you're saying, but why the phrase "get away with"? Garages charge for work done, like any other business! Yes, there's rogues out there, but isn't that the same for any business? I do get tired of the presumption that garages are "getting away with" the outrageous premise of actually charging for specialist work that they do... they're not a charity, we live in a capitalist society!

MattDB February 2, 2010 3:15 PM

At £94 grand a pop, I think Tesla dealers will turnover enough money from each customer.  

With new technology there will be gremlins and issues and the service depatments will probably be busy being paid by the manufacturers for warranty and rectification work.  By the time piston engines are phased out, there will be electric cars due for new batteries, motors, hubs, brakes, body damage etc, so I think there will always be a demand for service centres.

New technology is also something you tend not to trust to an independent.  How many punters would take a Prius to their local shed over a fully trained Toyota centre.  With this in bind I see the eventual demise of the local spanner man or maybe the local washing machine repair shop will start doing cars as well!!

beachland2 February 2, 2010 3:43 PM

Meerkat i understand what your saying. But capitalism should be about choice, and for somethings that garages do it seems there is not much choice. Essential software updates i can imagine as something that garages could charge quite a lot of money for when it costs them pence to do it. I know the cost is in the research, but that could easily be paid for if the updates were only 50p a service due to the volume of cars.

But even a diagnostic plug in at a garage can cost £30 without them even doing anything, But you can buy diagnostic machines online for a tenner. £30 for 30 seconds work is bad in my opinion.

As for taking a prius to a toyota garage, once out of warranty i would be buying a Haynes manual and browsing for parts on the internet.

beachland2 February 2, 2010 3:51 PM

PS.

Haynes do a 2001 to 2008 Prius service and repair manual.

£12.12 including delivery from the well known online retailer.

Now that is good value for money, and yes they make a good profit at the shop and and the publishers and from the writers and researchers, and it lasts for as long as you own the car and then you can resell the manual.

That is capitlism working well, not garages charging crazy prices plucked from the air because they "can get away with it"...

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Jeezitsonlyacar February 2, 2010 4:06 PM

Perhaps the logical conclusion is that this is the end of car ownership as we know it not just servicing- the thin end of the wedge with the likelihood being that such developments as you describe combined with rising prices and increasingly complex financing will mean we will soon reach a point where most private individuals lease a vehicle for a fixed period/mileage and then move onto the next one. Might not be a bad thing, in that it could reduce the habit Brits have of spending more than they can afford on a depreciating asset in the mistaken belief that it says something about them other than 'sucker'.

Meerkat February 2, 2010 4:18 PM

Thanks for your feedback people, and I certainly take on board the comment about choice.

Re: Tesla turnover, they are, I guess, taking advantage of the early adopters who want a "proper" electric car. That is capitalism choice, I suppose. They will basically bankroll the Model S and subsequent vehicles.

pdmc February 2, 2010 4:30 PM

Up to a year ago I could expect to pay a minimum of €170 for a basic service involving an oil change and little else for either of the cars I run. As I understand it, this specialist work involves putting a car on a ramp, removing a nut, waiting while the oil drains into a bucket, removing the filter and replacing it, replacing the bolt and seal, and then replacing the filter. That's €170 for about 10 mins actual work max. Flatpack furniture assembly is more specialist than this. If I had the facilities and equipment I could do this in less time. As I don't I am at the mercy of the garages and the prices they magically pull out of their hats.

In the past year however, main dealers have begun to advertise, literally everywhere, that they will carry out a basic service, entailing more checks and parts replacement for 'just €99'. It started with Nissan and has spread from there. If you consider that I recently bought oil for my car which cost the best part of €40, you do have to wonder.

This price drop tells me three things:

1. Consumers sick of being ripped off are choosing not to take their cars to the dealerships for regular servicing; so the garages are not busy enough and therefore struggling to stay afloat.

2. That dealerships CAN miraculously do their 'specialist work' at significantly lower prices than they have previously chosen or been able to.

3. Garages are (generally and true to their infamous reputation) thieving so-and-sos.

As for electric car servicing... I wouldn't mind downloading my cars upgrades ... provided that neither Microsoft nor Apple had a hand in it. Their upgrades regularly spell more problems than anything else.

Leslie Brook February 2, 2010 5:49 PM

As pdmc points out, the cost of main dealer servicing has become ridiculous. £75 an hour at my local Skoda dealer. I am quite capable of changing the oil, filter, brake pads etc. and on my earlier cars always did all my repairs myself. The trouble comes when you own something half decent and are "threatened" with the Full Service History argument. If I change my own oil, I save the outrageous labour charge but lose out on resale value.

jerry99 February 2, 2010 8:41 PM

I run older cars and most of the servicing and maintenannce work I do myself is on the suspension and brakes (I do drive them quite hard and expect these to be in first class condition).

Modern internal combustion engines just need oil and filter changes, checking for coolant problems and periodic cam belt changes (or chains if they have them get to 100k+!).

It is worrying if electric cars are going to be considerd as largely service free as they are not light weights and the wear in brakes and suspension is likley to be similar to current no electric cars.

230SL February 3, 2010 9:33 AM

Is n't car servicing all about paying for overheads, eg the big tiled, steel framed, heated, glass box cathedral, they don't come cheap you know.

Howey February 3, 2010 5:30 PM

£30 quid for 30 seconds work ?

i think it is rather more involved than that.

the fact is garages charge for time spent on a car.same as other tradesmen charge by the hour so do garages.

i too am sick of hearing people on here slagging dealers off for 'getting away' with charging for their work.

everyone has a choice where they have their cars repaired,no-one is holding guns to heads..... if someone cant afford dealer prices then they can take it to a 'specialist' .  they have a choice.

Howey February 3, 2010 5:31 PM

and before i get down from my soapbox, you will generally find a plumber will charge a higher hourly labour rate than the majority of major dealers....

rant over

BulletTrainMcKane February 3, 2010 6:06 PM

I think many franchised dealerships make a good proportion of money on warranty claims. I lease an Audi and it goes to the main dealer if I have a warranty claim, and the local specialist for a service. In the past the specialist has advised me to take it to the main dealer as the work will be under warranty.

LateKnight February 3, 2010 9:40 PM

I think many dealers actually make very little money on warranty claims. Parts are charged back to the manufacturer at cost price plus a small 'handling fee' (4% ish). The labour rate is at a much reduced level. You can only charge a set amount of labour time, even if it has taken hours longer. Some of the allowed times are 'tight' at best.

The manufacturer sends all sorts of wonderous special tools without dealers asking for them, and in a lot of cases never, ever finding a use them. For which they will also charge handsomely for (how about £700+ for a battery tester).

Orders from manufacturers to build glass palace showrooms or they will lose the franchise. Dealer pays! (then you).

Theres a good reason why manufacturers dont own dealers themselves.

HappyHippo February 4, 2010 9:26 AM

Servicing electric cars is not the end to the workshop in general - it just might be the end of the workshop "as we know it".

Servicing will change, yes - but there will be more and new fields to conquer.

Also this process will take a LONG period of time.

Just because a workshop looks clean and tidy does not mean that there is no "physical work" done anymore. It just indicated to a more environmental friendly workplace which equals a more healthy workplace.

Servicing an electric car will move away from classic "dirty" work - no oil changes, no exhaust repairs, less brake maintenance, no/less gearbox work etc....

BUT...

as I mentioned before the service areas will change: so called smile and smart repair will become more important (windscreen repair, interior repair, body and cosmetic repair, HVAC servicing and cleaning, tyre service...) - it is still a moving car and beeing "used" as a mobile transportation device... so there will be repairs...

A totally NEW sector you will find in taking car of noises inside the car since there is no engine sound you are much more aware of disturbing noises (shaking, rattling, vibrating) which catapult car accoustics into the service section of the future as well.

Changes have always taken place, we have to learn to keep up with changes and we will learn to adapt to these changes...

As a good friend (Hello Craig ;-) ) who quote Buzz Aldrin now: "there is only two ways for mankind: explore or expire!"

sierra February 4, 2010 9:29 AM

From the recent First Drive of the Volt - "Heat is the great enemy of the lithium ion batteries, so the Volt battery pack is cooled by its own water system feeding into its own radiator in the nose...so nestling behind the sleek nose is a huge cooling pod with four radiators and two fans"

Plenty there to tackle at €100/hour

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