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May 22 2009

Ford: Nobody’s home team

Mike Duff
Ford’s European boss John Fleming is right to be worried about the growing trend of Euro government’s to bail out their ‘home teams’.

Because, despite its size as a car maker, Ford’s diverse European operations mean that it’s without a single place to call home.



Presuming free market economics hold sway, it shouldn’t matter at all that the Focus gets built in Germany, the Mondeo in Belgium and the Fiesta in Spain and Germany – with many of the diesel engines coming from Britain.

Ford’s problem is that, as the European car market contracts, rational economic criteria is being replaced by thinly-disguised national self interest, as politicians and unions campaign for bail-outs for ‘native’ car manufacturers.

Ford: 'Rivals' subsidies unfair'

The logic seems to be simple enough: yes, we’re producing too many cars, but that doesn’t mean our factories should be the ones to be shut down.

Of course, there’s the chance that the EU might step in and have a look at some of these loans and guarantees, many of which seem to be sailing as close as possible to competition legislation intended to stop nationalistic bail-outs.

But that’s in the future, and in the meantime Ford is hurting as rivals like Renault, PSA – and now potentially GM - find themselves with access to life-saving funds.

The irony is that, despite the fact Ford hasn’t produced a passenger car here since the last-but-one Fiesta died in 2001, many older Brits do see Ford as being in some way British, doubtless spurred on by memories of all the Escorts and Cortinas that swarmed out of Halewood and Dagenham in the ‘sixties, ‘seventies and ‘eighties.

So here’s my cheeky suggestion – Ford of Europe should fight back against this nationalistic favouritism with … nationalist favouritism. Since the demise of MG Rover we’ve been short of a national champion, and Ford could easily become ‘our’ manufacturer. Ford’s products do better here than anywhere else in Europe, and would do better still if they could fly the flag.

Plus, getting practical, Ford still owns enough space in Dagenham to build a new production plant and I’ll bet that it could even buy back Halewood from JLR for a bargain price if it needed another factory site.

Move the Focus. S-Max, Galaxy and Mondeo over here, produce the Fiesta and Ka in Poland and use the pound: euro exchange rate to gouge some competitive advantage against subsidised European rivals.
 
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TegTypeR May 22, 2009 5:08 PM

Looking at the amount of room left at Dagenham, Ford must be thinking something along the same lines for some point in the future.

I wonder how much it costs Ford to transport products (like engines) between one site and another.  Surely it would make sense that a vehicle like the Kuga, a higher end product that is pretty much solely diesel powered should be built in Dagenham along side the engine plant.

But hey, is that too simpler concept?

Uncle Mellow May 22, 2009 7:26 PM

I have considered Ford to be a German manufacturer since the Mk1 Escort saloon came out in '68 . Before that British Fords were designed in Britain, but the Escort clearly wasn't. Strange that Detroit should have favoured Germany over Britain , as Opel was a much bigger player in Germany than Ford , while in the UK Ford was top-dog.

trocadero May 22, 2009 8:31 PM

Surely Morgan and LTI making taxis are the home team.

Let's not forget Ford is also stopping Transit production in Southampton.

The home teams also include Honda building cars and engines in Swindon and Toyota building engines in North Wales and building the cars in Derby. Then there is Vauxhall making engines and cars in Ellesmere Port and Nissan building cars at Washington.

trocadero May 22, 2009 8:33 PM

Surely Morgan and LTI making taxis are the home team.

Let's not forget Ford is also stopping Transit production in Southampton.

The home teams also include Honda building cars and engines in Swindon and Toyota building engines in North Wales and building the cars in Derby. Then there is Vauxhall making engines and cars in Ellesmere Port and Nissan building cars at Washington.

trocadero May 22, 2009 8:45 PM

Computer problem, appologies for double post!

roadtester May 22, 2009 9:35 PM

Well on past form Ford can certainly rely on Autocar to produce enough of the misleading 'Ford is British' propaganda to make this work

Has Autocar issued a correction to that major cover story gaffe in which the Focus RS was described as British yet? Thought not.

Ford were a bunch of terminally stupid bar stewards to shut down UK production. But it's their own fault. They put all their eggs, jobs and factories in the German basket - now let them beg the German government for support.

As far as I'm concerned almost every other major manufacturer has a better claim to be considered our British home champion than Ford.

Incidentally, Escort Mk1 was a British design that was then taken up by the Germans with one modification, an additional stiffening member, so to speak, under the bonnet. In Germany, it earned the not so affectionate nickname 'Hundeknochen' (dog bone) after the odd shape of the radiator grille.

trocadero May 23, 2009 9:47 AM

SHIOCK, HORROR!!

AUTOCAR being a Ford of Europe PR & marketing machine to help hoodwink the U.K. General Public into believing Fords are British.

Couldn't agree more.

They have been doing just that since at least when the original Mondeo went into production and, probably before

noluddite May 23, 2009 6:41 PM

'Ford’s diverse European operations mean that it’s without a single place to call home.' Surely that also means there are several places it CAN call home. That means that Ford should be able to get subsidies from several governments. If Ford's CEO needs advice on how to milk the system then he needs to speak to some of our MP's.

Steelydan May 23, 2009 9:35 PM

Standard. Journo posts. Teg Type R posts. How does he get in there so quick? The man's a marvel - so many reasoned, measured opinions, so little time.

RednBlue May 24, 2009 9:14 AM

"Ford’s products do better here than anywhere else in Europe, and would do better still if they could fly the flag. "

I would also say that Ford's products get treated way better here than anywhere else in Europe, where "here" stands for "Autocar".

You guys are getting more and more embarrassing.

roadtester May 24, 2009 11:03 AM

I agree. Autocar is an excellent mag with one major exception - the Ford coverage basically always just reads like advertorial.

theonlydt May 24, 2009 7:59 PM

I honestly believe that instead of Autocar having biased roadtesting in favour of Ford that a significant number of posters here who are ignorant of the quality of Ford products and have a deep-rooted prejudice.

The reason most cars are compared to their Ford counterpart is that almost without exception they are the class benchmark for the ride comfort/handling compromise. Having driven just about everyone of the current Ford range (not the new Fiesta) I can tell you that they are pretty decent cars. I have no reason to be nice to Ford, I own Hondas and love them.

A Ford is not as reliable as a Japanese car, the "perceived quality" is lower than VW, the cost of a new Ford IS the same as a used BMW - that does not detract from the all round package they offer which is pretty good. 15 years ago Ford products were top sellers because everyone felt you had to buy the new escort despite the mkIV being pretty lame. Now buyers vote with their cash - a poor Ford product won't cut it.

roadtester May 24, 2009 9:26 PM

Nobody's saying Ford doesn't make some good cars.

But Autocar has consistently boosted Ford for at least thirty years even when it has shut down UK production and built crap.

trocadero May 25, 2009 9:42 AM

I agree with Roadtester, Ford is not omnipotent, and the Focus, Mondeo etc are not always supreme.

What Autocar forget is that the majority do not drive on the limit at any time. The vast amjority of the public are not motoring enthusiasts, which is why Toyota sells.

VDG.CZ May 25, 2009 11:10 AM

I have an upgrade for "Mikey that went crazy" ,move 10k polish and belarusian guys to Dagenham,  wherever it is, booze them your undrinkable native beer and whiskey(beware of Irish brands), take all their wages, tax them(i suppose taxes on alcohol, cigars are highest ones). After that everything stays home... except 10k east European workers... Stay cool Mikey  

RednBlue May 25, 2009 1:41 PM

Ford's products do fly a flag. It's the one with stars and stripes.

What's the point to pretend they're british?

They are as british as a Nissan or a Honda. Well, at least some Hondas and Nissans are effectively built in the Uk by british workers...

roadtester May 25, 2009 3:55 PM

"They are as british as a Nissan or a Honda. Well, at least some Hondas and Nissans are effectively built in the Uk by british workers... "

That's the point - BMW (Mini and Rolls), Mercedes (SLR, F1 activities), VW (Bentley), GM (Vauxhall), Honda, Nissan, Toyota, Nanjing, Morgan and LTI all build cars here and Ford don't, so Ford at best has about the 11th highest claim on our national loyalties.

roadtester May 25, 2009 3:56 PM

PS - missed out Tata/JLR and Aston - make that '13th highest claim on oour national loyalties'

Uncle Mellow May 25, 2009 7:16 PM

Can't understand how Autocar is always singing the praises of the current Mondeo. The inside is blinged beyond recognition , and the outside is TOO BLOODY BIG. Sure the chassis is wonderfull , but how often does the average motorist get the chance to spend the day driving to Wales to thrash "his" car round the Black mountains on someone elses petrol? I once had the chance to thrash a big-nose Fiesta over a mountain , and the chassis was every bit as brilliant as Autocar said it was , but Fiestas are normally driven with the Tesco shopping , or the kids , on the back seat.

theonlydt May 26, 2009 7:50 AM

The Mondeo is too big - I can understand why that did it, but I'm sure the size has put some people off.

The chassis goes beyond a backroad blast - the mondeo is a very, very capable cruiser with class leading refinement (it's eerily quiet). Compared to the same generation passat, insignia, accord, mazda 6 and avensis I'd say from my own persnal experience that the Mondeo is the one I'd buy - despite the depreciation AND loving Hondas

roadtester May 26, 2009 11:06 AM

"The chassis goes beyond a backroad blast - the mondeo is a very, very capable cruiser with class leading refinement (it's eerily quiet)."

That may be true but it's not remotely British.

RednBlue May 26, 2009 11:46 AM

Yep, that's probably a great car (I still prefer a 2nd hand low-mileage Bimmer) but it's an american car built in Belgium. I don't support Anderlecht hoping they can play in Stamford Bridge anytime soon.

Lyburn May 26, 2009 3:39 PM

In general Britain likes Ford to be British due to Dagenham, The Capri! and Television star cars in the 70s (clever marketing).  Also, although Ford has always officially been American, you can't deny that when the range is completely different to the American one and the cars are (were) made here and sell so well they become 'a part of Britishness!'

jackjflash May 26, 2009 7:42 PM

Ford is American, its home is America, and if they receive any money it should be from the U.S. government. They chose not to take the loans offered by the Obama administration so they have no reason to whine and should just press on. Why in the hell should your government give Ford or GM any money? If there is a good business case for building cars in the UK they should invest the money to do so, otherwise pack up and leave. It sounds to me like more people here would prefer 2nd hand BMWs; maybe it is time for them to pack it in.

Will86 May 26, 2009 9:19 PM

"What Autocar forget is that the majority do not drive on the limit at any time. The vast amjority of the public are not motoring enthusiasts, which is why Toyota sells."

You don't need to thrash a car to appreciate how it drives. The smoothness of the controls in Fords stands out most, whether on a B road or in a traffic jam. I don't care where a car is built, its whether or not it meets the needs of the end market, which Ford seem to have got the knack of at the moment, so it can call the UK home if it wants to.

Uncle Mellow May 28, 2009 9:46 PM

No , you don't need to thrash a car to appreciate how it drives. We used to have (Mk 1 ) Focuses on the company fleet , and everytime I sat into one I would stare at the pedals , wondering where the footrest was. Then I would drive a few yards and stop and check if there was any fluid in the power-steering , such was the weight of the steering.

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