Saab's boss has said it is unlikely the firm's 9-4X crossover will ever be launched with a diesel

The Saab 9-4X crossover is unlikely to be offered with a diesel engine option that would be crucial to its success in Europe.

The car, revealed last week at the LA motor show, will launch in the US in May with two petrol V6s – a 265bhp 3.0 and a300bhp 2.8T – and sales will follow in Europe with the latter engine from August.

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Saab sources have conceded to Autocar that sales will be hampered by the lack of a diesel and company boss Jan Ake Jonsson has said a diesel 9-4X is unlikely to ever be launched.

“If you then look at the life cycle of the vehicle, typically five or six years, before we actually have a diesel engine, we have to find one, we have to test it, we have to install it, validate it, and you are two years into the life cycle,” he said.

“And then you have a very short payoff period. So I think it is unlikely.”

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Jonsson has also confirmed the firm will begin distribution in China in 2011 and a similar deal for Russian distribution is likely to be confirmed with the next few weeks.

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25 November 2010

Damn, that car had so much potential over here. :-(

25 November 2010

Ye such a pity they should do it get diesel engines off BMW or VW they seem happy enough too give Jeep there Diesels and other companys or even Renault or Fiat someone am sure would be delighted they give them diesel engines do a deal with them . They could launch it in the revamped 9-4X or even just a mild revamp 2 years in and the full revamp in 3 and a half to 4 years in would keep pleanty off interest in the range and car .

25 November 2010

They have a deal in place for the PSA/BMW petrol engine but didnt think of tying in use of BMW or PSA diesels, poor management from a company that deserves better. Why couldnt they use the new PSA 2.0 or 2.2 diesel as used in the facelifted Mondeo with the PSA 2.7 or 3.0 diesel in a flagship model.


The petrol V6 they are using is from the Insignia, so why dont they fit a diesel from the Insignia as well.

They have not thought about European sales at all, but are chasing the American and the newly emerging Russian and Chinese market.

All of these engines are readily available and rigorously tested, have been used in numerous configurations, FWD, RWD and AWD, the excuse is feeble at best.

25 November 2010

I wonder how much of the original idea of not having a derv available goes down to GM management and it's own internal plan when the 9-4 was designed. Maybe economics of having a derv on the production line or that the 9-4 was only ever envisaged to be a USA and other markets who prefer petrol???? Or maybe GM felt that it would not sell enough in Europe to make a derv economically viable. A shame as it is a nice looking car and may of done quite well.

25 November 2010

[quote Citytiger]Why couldnt they use the new PSA 2.0 or 2.2 diesel as used in the facelifted Mondeo with the PSA 2.7 or 3.0 diesel in a flagship model.[/quote]

Given the weight of this 9-4X I think even the new 197bhp 2.2 diesel seen in the Mondeo would struggle to move the car with any conviction and I doubt the economy figures would be anywhere near that of it's competitors. The 3.0 diesel would be a better bet given it manages to move a Discovery pretty well but it's all irrelevant because GM were too short sighted to think of Europe.

25 November 2010

Proof if any were needed of the appalling GM management that Saab suffered. Any person with even half a functioning brain would have seen that this market segment was thriving in Europe whilst this car was being developed. And as pointed out by another poster, if the Insignia 2.8 V6 turbo is under the bonnet then it would hardly be tough to install a diesel from that car as well.

What the Saab guy has to say about it now is correct, there is no point trying to put one in because it will take a couple of years ... but the facts that the clueless GM nitwits created this situation in the first place shows all that is wrong with them. Muppets.

25 November 2010

Erm... far be it from me to question the combined wisdom of this forum...

But

How the hell do you all know that it was GM that said no to this? Are any of you privy to the relevant board meetings? There were probably very good reasons why they didn't want to invest in fitting a diesel to this thing. This cross-over bubble's going to burst very soon and I certainly wouldn't want to risk my shirt on the SAAB version of this being a big seller. SAAB's have never been a big seller and never will be despite all the whining that goes on here. If they'd sold as many cars as it appeared they had customers for on this forum they'd be as big as VW by now... How much money have Ford lost on Jaguar, Aston Martin, Land Rover and Volvo yet no-one accuses them of being muppets?

25 November 2010

[quote Citytiger]All of these engines are readily available [/quote]

Really? Are they ready to be shovelled up from the global engine mountain for struggling manufacturers to take advantage of?


25 November 2010

Absolutley clueless in the extreme, you would be aswell not bothering. Saab have previous for this of course, their 9 3X only comes in AWD in the petrol engine when it would have had a decent chance of selling as a crosser with their ttid engine and 4wd, instead the derv version is only front wheel drive.

These are very basic errors that surely someone at Saab can see!

25 November 2010

[quote Straff]

Erm... far be it from me to question the combined wisdom of this forum...

But

How the hell do you all know that it was GM that said no to this? Are any of you privy to the relevant board meetings? There were probably very good reasons why they didn't want to invest in fitting a diesel to this thing. This cross-over bubble's going to burst very soon and I certainly wouldn't want to risk my shirt on the SAAB version of this being a big seller. SAAB's have never been a big seller and never will be despite all the whining that goes on here. If they'd sold as many cars as it appeared they had customers for on this forum they'd be as big as VW by now... How much money have Ford lost on Jaguar, Aston Martin, Land Rover and Volvo yet no-one accuses them of being muppets?

[/quote] If you are going to put a car into a market that is derv mad, then you would select a derv option would you not? GM will of already realised this being a global brand. So it does not take much thought to summise that for whatever reason the Saab 9-4 X was not intended for the European market and Saab being a niche manufacturer economies of scale came to bear. With more crossovers coming out as manufactures realise it is a growth market the bubble will not burst for some years to come as more and more 2wd crossovers hit the streets. Saab may well of sold a few in Europe with the right engine.....

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