Flagship BMW to be replaced by V8-powered supercar

BMW’s flagship M6 performance car is unlikely to be replaced when the next 6-series arrives, autocar.co.uk has learned.

Instead, its position at the top of the range is likely to be filled by a V8 sports car drawing cues from BMW’s Vision Efficient Dynamics concept.

The 6-series has gradually evolved into a grand tourer since its 2004 introduction rather than an out and out sports car; this has led to the M6, a car aimed primarily at US buyers, sitting awkwardly within the range. So a replacement isn’t likely to appear in next year’s new 6-series line-up.

The M3 coupe-size Vision ED offers M3 performance with Toyota Prius levels of economy and CO2 emissions. A prototype ED will be running by the summer; it’s intended to be a hi-tech sports car that showcases all of BMW’s eco-tech in the packaging of a performance car.

The Vision ED concept uses an advanced diesel-electric hybrid system producing a total of 356bhp and 590lb ft. Its turbocharged three-cylinder engine could make it into the next 1 and 3-series models. But the production version of the Vision ED may get the next-gen M5’s twin-turbo 4.4-litre V8.

Using this engine will ensure the firm still offers a car with M6 levels of power and performance, but the inclusion of much of Vision ED’s eco-tech, as well as that car’s more daring styling, would allow the car to be marketed as a standalone model.

BMW R&D chief Klaus Draeger has said a future BMW supercar has to “be intelligent and dramatic-looking, something like the ED concept”.

The car would give the firm the direct rival to the Audi R8 and Porsche 911 ranges, and would also allow BMW to compete with AMG’s forthcoming baby SLS model.

Mark Tisshaw

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30 March 2010

probably wise the current m6 has never really been worthy of its price tag

30 March 2010

[quote Autocar]BMW’s flagship M6 performance car is unlikely to be replaced when the next 6-series arrives, autocar.co.uk has learned.

Instead, its position at the top of the range is likely to be filled by a V8 sports car drawing cues from BMW’s Vision Efficient Dynamics concept.

The 6-series has gradually evolved into a grand tourer since its 2004 introduction rather than an out and out sports car; this has led to the M6, a car aimed primarily at US buyers, sitting awkwardly within the range. S...Read the full article[/quote] Come on, why can't we have both? They'll be offering the non-turbo 4.4 in the 6 anyway, so why not let us have the twin-turbo version too? We need an M6 to keep those 911s and Corvettes at bay (not to mention those pesky Skylines). Then there could be a more hardcore, possibly mid-engined thing. Glad to hear the Vision ED won't be a mid-engined supercar with a three-cylinder diesel lump, too.

30 March 2010

[quote Rover P6 3500S]Come on, why can't we have both?[/quote]

Because BMW lost their mind. We should be thankful the next supercar isn't FWD!!!

30 March 2010

So there won't be a new M6, or a Z4M, or a new 4 door M3, and yet we can have a X5M and a X6M. Sure, why not.

30 March 2010

At least this is some better news coming from BMW in the form of a supercar and not some FWD Mini concept or 1 series. BMW should have made a R8 rival a long time ago as it would have allowed them to establish it self against those rivals. The R8 is now already established and very popular it will be hard for BMW to beat the R8 it will need to design a very good car if it wants people to notice it !

30 March 2010

[quote moe360]The R8 is now already established and very popular it will be hard for BMW to beat the R8 it will need to design a very good car if it wants people to notice it ![/quote]

No they won't, this is BMW we're talking about. They can sell cars for fun, yes the R8 is a good car but BMW have a very loyal following. Take the Z3 it sold by the bucket full despite being torn to shreds by all those in the motoring press.

30 March 2010

[quote Jon Hardcastle]

[quote moe360]The R8 is now already established and very popular it will be hard for BMW to beat the R8 it will need to design a very good car if it wants people to notice it ![/quote]

No they won't, this is BMW we're talking about. They can sell cars for fun, yes the R8 is a good car but BMW have a very loyal following. Take the Z3 it sold by the bucket full despite being torn to shreds by all those in the motoring press.

[/quote][quote Jon Hardcastle]

[quote moe360]The R8 is now already established and very popular it will be hard for BMW to beat the R8 it will need to design a very good car if it wants people to notice it ![/quote]

No they won't, this is BMW we're talking about. They can sell cars for fun, yes the R8 is a good car but BMW have a very loyal following. Take the Z3 it sold by the bucket full despite being torn to shreds by all those in the motoring press.

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The Z3 was a very long time ago many moons have passed and things have changed, for example back then Audi and many other manfactures could not compete with BMW. Back then BMW was one of the best which meant it had a great following.

This meant that even the rubbish Z3 would sell because of the brand, If you look at it now things have changed. BMW are not at the same level they were and other rivals Audi for example have overtaken them in certain departments and gained mass following.

The R8 is somthing BMW should have made before Audi did, it would have allowed them to get some spotlight and have a decent Halo model which they did not do. They made the M6 as a halo model which next to a R8 had no chance.

Bmw will have there work cut out now with so many rivals catching and going past them

30 March 2010

BMW's only true supercar to date was the M1 which, while not rubbish, was unloved by most. It was then followed by a quasi-supercar in the 8 Series which, while not rubbish, was unloved by most. This lack of success made them drop out of that sector for a while until they pitched the new 6 a little lower in the market which, while not rubbish, is unloved by most. Anyone spotting a pattern? You know, BMW makes really good sporting saloons.

30 March 2010

[quote moe360][quote Jon Hardcastle]

[quote moe360]The R8 is now already established and very popular it will be hard for BMW to beat the R8 it will need to design a very good car if it wants people to notice it ![/quote]

No they won't, this is BMW we're talking about. They can sell cars for fun, yes the R8 is a good car but BMW have a very loyal following. Take the Z3 it sold by the bucket full despite being torn to shreds by all those in the motoring press.

[/quote][quote Jon Hardcastle]

[quote moe360]The R8 is now already established and very popular it will be hard for BMW to beat the R8 it will need to design a very good car if it wants people to notice it ![/quote]

No they won't, this is BMW we're talking about. They can sell cars for fun, yes the R8 is a good car but BMW have a very loyal following. Take the Z3 it sold by the bucket full despite being torn to shreds by all those in the motoring press.

[/quote]

The Z3 was a very long time ago many moons have passed and things have changed, for example back then Audi and many other manfactures could not compete with BMW. Back then BMW was one of the best which meant it had a great following.

This meant that even the rubbish Z3 would sell because of the brand, If you look at it now things have changed. BMW are not at the same level they were and other rivals Audi for example have overtaken them in certain departments and gained mass following.

The R8 is somthing BMW should have made before Audi did, it would have allowed them to get some spotlight and have a decent Halo model which they did not do. They made the M6 as a halo model which next to a R8 had no chance.

Bmw will have there work cut out now with so many rivals catching and going past them

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Agreed Moe it was a long time ago but as you point out BMW have long had a mass following that will buy whatever they decide to churn out, yes Audi has out BMW'd BMW in areas but we now have two German brands that have a sheep mentality following. Maybe other brands have gone past them but BMW will always be BMW in many people's eyes. For instance take the X6 it got plenty of plaudits in the most famous thread on this forum!!!

30 March 2010

[quote Jon Hardcastle]

[quote moe360][quote Jon Hardcastle]

[quote moe360]The R8 is now already established and very popular it will be hard for BMW to beat the R8 it will need to design a very good car if it wants people to notice it ![/quote]

No they won't, this is BMW we're talking about. They can sell cars for fun, yes the R8 is a good car but BMW have a very loyal following. Take the Z3 it sold by the bucket full despite being torn to shreds by all those in the motoring press.

[/quote][quote Jon Hardcastle]

[quote moe360]The R8 is now already established and very popular it will be hard for BMW to beat the R8 it will need to design a very good car if it wants people to notice it ![/quote]

No they won't, this is BMW we're talking about. They can sell cars for fun, yes the R8 is a good car but BMW have a very loyal following. Take the Z3 it sold by the bucket full despite being torn to shreds by all those in the motoring press.

[/quote]

The Z3 was a very long time ago many moons have passed and things have changed, for example back then Audi and many other manfactures could not compete with BMW. Back then BMW was one of the best which meant it had a great following.

This meant that even the rubbish Z3 would sell because of the brand, If you look at it now things have changed. BMW are not at the same level they were and other rivals Audi for example have overtaken them in certain departments and gained mass following.

The R8 is somthing BMW should have made before Audi did, it would have allowed them to get some spotlight and have a decent Halo model which they did not do. They made the M6 as a halo model which next to a R8 had no chance.

Bmw will have there work cut out now with so many rivals catching and going past them

[/quote]

Agreed Moe it was a long time ago but as you point out BMW have long had a mass following that will buy whatever they decide to churn out, yes Audi has out BMW'd BMW in areas but we now have two German brands that have a sheep mentality following. Maybe other brands have gone past them but BMW will always be BMW in many people's eyes. For instance take the X6 it got plenty of plaudits in the most famous thread on this forum!!!

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BMW may have many fans but does it still have the mass following it had back in the early 90s when it was one of the best of all time ?

I don't know if that is still the case for example When I was a kid back in the 9os I love BMW told all my mates at school I love BMW and will drive one when I am older. This is because back then they were the best however now I have grown older they have lost my sale and fan basis because of many factors.

If you ever said to me when I was a kid would you buy a golf over a bmw i would have laughed cant say the same now

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