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Jan 20 2010

Does Mini Countryman spell the end for the Clubman?

Hilton Holloway
Well, that’s not quite what we were led to expect.

The pictures of the new Mini Countryman show a pretty logical five-door extension of the established Mini. A polished mainstream model and an aggressive Cooper S hot hatch.



Neither car is anything like either of the taster concepts (The Crossover and Beachcomber) rolled out last year.

Indeed, it’s hard to imagine just why Mini showed the extravagant Beachcomber when the real thing is so much less of an SUV.

What mystifies me is that I was told, face-to-face, last month that the Cooper S road car had not been signed off by the BMW board. A few weeks later, it seems that the BMW board has had a change of mind.



All of which maneuvering might be evidence that concept cars and the subsequent media coverage does actually influence car company bosses.

With sales not starting until the autumn and the Magna factory in Graz only now limbering up to begin production, BMW must have had enough time to decided to build a premium supermini, rather than a 4m-long Tonka toy.

The Countryman will also test the theory that car buyers are willing to ‘downsize’ and pay Golf money for a smaller, albeit premium, package.

I also wonder where this will leave the Mini Clubman. Although the Clubman does pretty well in the US market (taking 20 percent of Mini sales), the Countryman is barely longer, but has a much more efficient interior package.



The higher roofline, five proper doors and a decent boot will probably throttle demand for the Clubman, which must be costly to produce, not only because of the single side door but the complex double rear doors.

Of course, recent patent drawings suggest the Clubman format could re-appear in a future version of the Countryman.

One BMW source told me last month that the Clubman’s ‘club door’ would have been more popular ‘if only we had explained it better’. I think that the near-certain success of the Countryman makes this year an ideal point to close the ‘club door’ for the last time.

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About Hilton Holloway

Has two product design degrees and used to design mountain bikes. Realised that cars were a lot more interesting in 1990, and has been writing about them ever since.

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SpiritOfSenna January 20, 2010 5:33 PM

"All of which maneuvering might be evidence that concept cars and the subsequent media coverage does actually influence car company bosses."

Might not be too. Personally, I think that such a suggestion is akin to claiming that it is the puppet that controls the puppet master.

The reality is that in order to garner free promotion in advance of far more mundane forthcoming vehicles, the car companies show exciting novelty concepts, knowing that the media will print any old *** information that the company releases, whether via its PR department or discussions with executives.

theonlydt January 20, 2010 5:38 PM

Sales in the UK might have been higher if the "third door" actually opened on the left, rather than the right - but they wouldn't stump up the design cash to move the fuel filler pipe. Having the rear access door on the wrong side was dangerous and stupid. I'm not a fan of this concept either - for £17k there are much, much more able cars, be they 2wd or 4wd. Examples would include the Suzuki SX4 if you want a 4m long 5 door hatch with all wheel drive. Or as you said, a Golf for an almost premium 5 door hatch - though the golf is bigger and probably more useable. So will they reinvent the clubman format on this model, making a more conventional 5 door estate, just one that rides a bit higher?

HiltonH January 20, 2010 5:39 PM

Erm...so why would BMW spent millions on two concepts that are nothing like the production car?

And why would a very senior BMW source tell me, last month, that Cooper S 'had not yet been signed off'?

I might be wrong, of course.

rovamota January 20, 2010 6:19 PM

Looks more like an evolution of the Austin Maxi. I mean, look at it!

Kev.

Squonk61 January 20, 2010 7:33 PM

Hilton, think the answer to your Clubman question is probably "Yes".

Certainly the  Countryman has better packaging than the Clubman   - hardly difficult as the Clubman is shocking. Big on the outside, small on the inside, let alone the comedy door.

The Clubman is hardly popular here - and almost non-existent in Paris, where I doubt the Countryman will sell either, for pretty obvious reasons.

Lots of proper Minis in Paris though - there's a very active garage near Pont Cardinet that is always full of Minis in for service - even got a Mini Marcos in there.

My conspiracy theory on the concepts is "We'll make a couple of real dogs so when we bring the real one out people will think 'Oh, not so bad then'" - from some of the reactions in the forums today, sounds quite plausible!

roverfan1984 January 20, 2010 10:22 PM

@theonlydt "Having the rear access door on the wrong side was dangerous and stupid"

Ive never understood the huge criticism this recieved. Surely its no more dangerous than a normal 3 door Mini? Or any 3 door car? If the road is so narrow & busy that climbing out of the rear drivers side is dangerous, slide across & get out of the passenger side!

Is it just me?

kcrally January 20, 2010 10:50 PM

does mini countryman spell the end of the world !

moveovercomingthrough January 20, 2010 11:09 PM

i suspect the clubman will live on but with 4 doors, and the'll stop all the nonsense about the extra side door, but keep the trademark rears.  for sure, the new range is going to erode a few clubman sales, but i doubt there's much cannibalism here, they're too different. it'll be interesting to see where the conquest sales come from, golf, seat, polo or a-class, a3 etc?  i suspect they're going to sell loads of these and we should just deal with the fact and stop grizzling about the mini of old, surely one of the most neglected model ranges in a period of dreadful mismanagement as the industry disappeared up its own behind.

Old Toad January 21, 2010 5:20 AM

Dunno what is happening at Mini but they dont seem to be going anywhere except into a cul de sac to me.

The first new Mini was fresh and ok but everything afterwards seems to be less of a design/packaging achievment and more expensive. Also increasingly obese.

Dare I compare a Skoda Yeti with a Mini Clubman. I know which I would have for its fresh looks and  space Neither would I   want to follow a trendy expensive dubious premium brand . Build quality on Skodas is very good now too.

Naturally I dont fall into the target market of 30 something affluent female that knows more about shoes and Handbags so my thoughts are probably irrelevant.

I do see Mini as a powerful example of strenghening brand against diminishing product value though.

Old Toad January 21, 2010 5:22 AM

Oops a typo Should have been Yeti v Countryman

polemicist January 21, 2010 8:22 AM

If the new Countryman is only marginally larger than the Clubman I can't see the packaging being significantly better - unless there's a TARDIS option on the lengthy Mini options list...

noluddite January 21, 2010 9:23 AM

Why the surprise that something was signed off inside 3 weeks? A signature takes 5 seconds.

123xclr8 January 21, 2010 4:52 PM

Mr Holloway... maybe you should go here ... http://www.motoringfile.com/

... and get real info on all things MINI. Your observations seem a bit off. Gabe has realtime info and thoughtful insights into the MINI.

Uncle Mellow January 21, 2010 7:43 PM

In what way does the Countryman look a better sales prospect than the Clubman ? The Clubman looks like a MINI with more space . The Countryman looks like a MINI viewed through the bottom of a beer glass.

123xclr8 January 21, 2010 7:49 PM

@UncleMello.... Here, Here! If they removed the front clip and logos.... ya got no MINI, that I can see.

123xclr8 January 21, 2010 7:57 PM

@Roverfan1984 ... " "Having the rear access door on the wrong side was dangerous and stupid" "Ive never understood the huge criticism this recieved."

I'm not from England but it seems odd that MINI would put a basic childs

exit door on the right side is dangerous considering in England sidewalks are reversed from left hand driver seating countries.

moveovercomingthrough January 22, 2010 7:54 PM

more sales outside britain, and a fuel filler in the way on the left side anyway.  That's why.  Doesn't help much, but that's the reason.

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