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At its best, the driving experience of the Toyota GT86 is match for the likes of a Porsche Cayman, but it can't reach those heights across as broad a range of conditions

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This light, uncomplicated coupé promises so much. Can the Toyota GT86 deliver?

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27 November 2011

It's incredible that a company such as Toyota can go from zero to hero in the sports car stakes in one stroke, I am impressed!

What they have demonstrated though that no matter where technology is leading us, the principles and basics of a great fun car (simple, light weight, great chassis, rear drive and low centre of gravity) will always remain.

It's not all plain sailing of course. With the now though £28000 price tag, this is going to make for an interesting comparison to a decent used Cayman now, unless you need the rear seats of course.

Welcome back Toyota.

 

 

It's all about the twisties........

27 November 2011

[quote TegTypeR]

It's incredible that a company such as Toyota can go from zero to hero in the sports car stakes in one stroke, I am impressed!

What they have demonstrated though that no matter where technology is leading us, the principles and basics of a great fun car (simple, light weight, great chassis, rear drive and low centre of gravity) will always remain.

It's not all plain sailing of course. With the now though £28000 price tag, this is going to make for an interesting comparison to a decent used Cayman now, unless you need the rear seats of course.

Welcome back Toyota.

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I did have a feeling that they weren't going to let themselves in any way do a hash of this, and it seems I was right - partially. While it seems to be quite a good car in isolation and Toyota deserve credit (although remember that they do have quite a lot of funds and they weren't doing this on their own - they have a racing division (TRD) and were doing the project jointly with Subaru - although to what extent they influenced the overall package, in terms of the engineering, I don't know ), it's way too expensive.

If their aim was to make a back-to-basics, cheap and simple vehicle and/or if they wanted to make a vehicle to lure back younger buyers I'm afraid they've failed at this price tag. I mean, you can buy an Audi A5 or BMW 3-Series Coupe, both with 2.0-litre engines, for roughly the same price - and although both have slightly less power, they have more torque, are more economical and are probably better all-rounders, particularly the BMW.

And actually, the GT-86 should be compared with the 1-Series Coupe - with 30k (just 2k more than the estimated price of the Toyota), you can buy a 135i with 302bhp, 295lb/ft of torque and 0-60 in 5.3secs, and I never heard it was a boring thing to drive either. Not to mention you can get a 4-year old Cayman for under 20k...

 

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27 November 2011

Agree that 28k makes it an instant fail. It needed to be sub 25 k at least. The accountants got hold of the pricing strategy and will kill it. Expect it to ba a rare sight on uk roads.

27 November 2011

[quote PhilM4000]Agree that 28k makes it an instant fail. It needed to be sub 25 k at least.[/quote] Everyone seems to be commenting on the price - at £28,000 it is way too much; apart from anything else how many of their "young" target customer can afford that sort of money these days to say nothing of the likely insurance costa for a "young" person ! Having said that, it is good to see that Toyota still have the ability to produce an exciting car, comparisons with a Cayman can't be bad. It will be interesting to see what it drives like in final form on British roads. Also to see what the Subaru version is like. I guess that that will be priced similarly to avoid one brand undercutting the other.


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27 November 2011

This won't be a popular view on here, but I think its the engine that lets it down on both price and the performance. The 2.0 boxer unit is a dinosaur now and they spent a fortune re-designing the top end to get 200bhp from it. You can't see this lump being found in any other Toyota models. I think they should have developed a 1.6 turbo that could have been used elsewhere, even with the hybrids like everyone else is doing. Other than that cracking driver focused car. Don't think it will sell that well, sadly.

27 November 2011

[quote Autocar]as cosseting as a Porsche’s, albeit not trimmed to the same standard[/quote] Oh well, that's it then. I'm not going to buy one now. [quote Autocar]big-selling but ultimately bland models[/quote] Whoops, though that was VW's job? Oh no, that's "timeless and classic design" isn't it. (Sorry, out of bed wrong side this morning).

  • Let depreciation be your friend...

27 November 2011

[quote Smurf Yeah]This won't be a popular view on here, but I think its the engine that lets it down on both price and the performance. The 2.0 boxer unit is a dinosaur now and they spent a fortune re-designing the top end to get 200bhp from it. You can't see this lump being found in any other Toyota models. I think they should have developed a 1.6 turbo that could have been used elsewhere, even with the hybrids like everyone else is doing[/quote]

your are right, i dont agree. i think i high revving normally aspirated engine is almost as important to this car as its rwd set up, and lsd. As for being a boxer, well at least it allows a lower centre of gravity and a bonet line not spoiled by pedestrian impact regs. what other recent cars can that be said of?

But of course the real killer is price, and on that i am in comlete agreement

27 November 2011

not sure about the a5 as i don't recall them having a normally aspirated 2.0 (correct me if i'm wrong) but the 320i is the worst bmw ever made. the 320i coupe just highlights it more clearly how bad it is when your car is a ricer. yes you can get the 135i for 30k but adding on to the specs and you are looking at 40k easily. as for the cayman, it is a tad bit unfair to compare that to the gt/ft/whatever 86 as one is a mid engine car and another is front engined. to be honest, i'd like the looks of the toyota much more than the porsche which can never really shake off its curse of being the poor man's porsche. besides that, the toyota seats 4 and should have a bigger boot (unless its filled with lithium ion batteries)

27 November 2011

It just goes to show that the automotive industry is still pumping out a few fantastic driver machines at a relatively low cost.

27 November 2011

Too slow for the price, or too expensive for the performance. One or the other anyway.

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