Germany's authorities have discovered that NOx reduction system switches off after 22 minutes; official emissions test lasts 20 minutes
Jim Holder
25 April 2016

Fiat is under investigation by German authorities trying to establish whether the car maker has been running a system that manipulates European laboratory emissions tests, according to a report in German newspaper Bild am Sonntag.

During tests conducted by Germany’s Federal Motor Transport Authority (KBA) in the wake of the VW dieselgate crisis, authorities are reported to have discovered that some Fiat vehicles were only running their pollution reducing systems for just 22 minutes. An official laboratory emissions test runs for about 20 minutes.

Reports suggest that it was test on a Fiat 500X that exposed the issue. A spokesman for Fiat declined to comment.

The paper also alleged Bosch had informed German investigators that Fiat was using a system that either stopped or greatly reduced the effectiveness of emissions-reducing filters. Bosch declined to comment.

While the German authorities have not formally commented on the nature of the Fiat investigation, German transport minister Alexander Dobrindt did single out Fiat while announcing the results of tests on numerous diesel-powered cars last Friday, saying, "We will need to carry out further tests on Fiat models".

As a result of the wider tests, Dobrindt led demands for 17 manufacturers to voluntarily recall cars that emitted “excessive” amounts of NOx in real-world testing. While all of the cars meet regulatory requirements, the German government wants the manufacturers to act. So far, only Audi, Mercedes, Opel, Porsche and Volkswagen have said they will. Subsequently, the British government has demanded the manufacturers make the same updates on cars sold in Britain.

Last week Mitsubishi was forced to admit it had cheated in four fuel economy tests in Japan, and later admitted the issue may be more widespread, Peugeot's offices were raided by investigations looking into the emissions scandal, and Mercedes launched an investigation into its emissions strategy on vehicles sold in the US.

 

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25 April 2016
I m not excusing Fiat, but, really, what do they expect if its down to the manufacturers to test their cars ? The EU should do the testing.

25 April 2016
Point taken, but this is reprehensible behaviour if true. Arguably worse than VW, because after dieselgate Fiat had the opportunity to come clean, but denied they used any cheat devices. This is clearly a cheat device.

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25 April 2016
I hate to say i told you so, but.......

25 April 2016
I know this is just the Germans at the moment, but given that VW have put 12B Euros aside (which okay is mainly for the USA compensation) to cover the whole emissions testing controversy - I'm not sure Fiat has that sort of capability!

If it ends up in as big-a-doo-doo as VW, I think Fiat/Chrysler will collapse!

25 April 2016
MattDoc30 wrote:

I know this is just the Germans at the moment, but given that VW have put 12B Euros aside (which okay is mainly for the USA compensation) to cover the whole emissions testing controversy - I'm not sure Fiat has that sort of capability!

If it ends up in as big-a-doo-doo as VW, I think Fiat/Chrysler will collapse!

I can't see the Italian government letting Fiat side of things go under, no doubt there'll be a typical EU fudge to stop it happening.

 

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23 May 2016
Tricky germans attempting to involve Fiat in their dastardly deeds.
Bosch executive confesses that he never mentioned Fiat circumvented emission controls.
Enough raiding Italian technology. The Germans bought the Magneti Marelli invention of the Common Rail diesel technology to put them on the proper road to excellent fuel economy. Marelli NEVER taught the germans to then use software to trick the control mechanisms.
We Italians wish we can buy back Lamborghini, Ducati, Common Rail Patents, ItalDesign and take back chief of VWGroup Walter DeSilva as well. But those pesky Euros screwed Italy into losing it's monetary sovereignty.

25 April 2016
Any other manufacturers who are still pretending they won't be found out need to come clean, literally and metaphorically, right now before their reputations are sullied forever.

25 April 2016
I think our politicians should shoulder much of the blame here. Its been obvious for ages that the tax system was encouraging the use of diesels, and obvious from being behind one that they were often a long way from clean. Its OK for the UK and German governments to check the real world emissions now, but this should have been done years ago.

Did anyone actually think that diesels were clean? smell the air as they drive past you when you are walking, see the clouds of smoke billow from them as they get a few years on them. i know this isnt the deadly particulates (which are too small to see) or the Nox, but this stuff is still carcinogenic.

I think we need a policy to get these things off our roads until we know they are as clean in all circumstances as they claim they are in the EU tests!

25 April 2016
artill wrote:

I think our politicians should shoulder much of the blame here. Its been obvious for ages that the tax system was encouraging the use of diesels, and obvious from being behind one that they were often a long way from clean. Its OK for the UK and German governments to check the real world emissions now, but this should have been done years ago.

Did anyone actually think that diesels were clean? smell the air as they drive past you when you are walking, see the clouds of smoke billow from them as they get a few years on them. i know this isnt the deadly particulates (which are too small to see) or the Nox, but this stuff is still carcinogenic.

I think we need a policy to get these things off our roads until we know they are as clean in all circumstances as they claim they are in the EU tests!

What about Ford Mustang V8's that belch out 299g/km CO2 and 611mg/km CO?

25 April 2016
what part "Bosch" was playing in this cover up, as I understand it they manufacture most of the fuel systems. Did they know what was going on and covered it up, its seem very likely to me.

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