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  • BMW 7 Series Active Hybrid 7

    Oct 29, 2009 12:07 PM

    What is it?


    Conventional logic suggests hybrid systems are best used for their added fuel saving effect. The problem is that they only begin to make financial sense if they are applied to exclusive upper-end luxury models – the likes of which attract well-to-do customers for whom fuel efficiency is typically not an overriding priority.


    Why not alter the primary focus to out-and-out performance enhancement, then? That, in essence, is the thinking behind the new BMW Active Hyb...Read the full article

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    Re: BMW 7 Series Active Hybrid 7

    Oct 29, 2009 12:44 PM

    I'm confused!

    I thought a 'Mild Hybrid' was a vehicle which used regenerative energy to recharge the battery and turned the engine off when idling, but which ultimately lacked an electric motor?  

    Meaning that aren't BMW's existing Efficient Dynamic diesels mild hybrids? (Admittedly BMW does not advertise them as such.)

    If the 7-Series Active Hybrid has an electric motor, shouldn't we be calling it a full hybrid? 

     

  • Re: BMW 7 Series Active Hybrid 7

    Oct 29, 2009 1:06 PM

    15 bhp is a 3.3% increase over 444bhp. That is one VERY mild hybrid! To apply the term hybrid is rather overstating it's function, and devaluing the term. This is little more than an integrated starter motor, which is then used to provide a little extra oomph.
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    Re: BMW 7 Series Active Hybrid 7

    Oct 29, 2009 2:20 PM

    Autocar:
    Superb driveline, excellent refinement, but awful brake feel
     

    And awful face.

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    Re: BMW 7 Series Active Hybrid 7

    Oct 29, 2009 3:02 PM

    a hybrid is mild when the electric motor cannot propel the car on its own.

    To me this is the only arrangement that makes sense. Full hybrids require big expensive electric motors, fancy clutches and big expensive batteries which are a fortune to build and replace. Mild hybrids produce pretty much the same effect on urban fuel consumption with less complexity and weight.

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    Re: BMW 7 Series Active Hybrid 7

    Oct 29, 2009 8:34 PM

     Bmw done a great job with the new 7 its like a ipod so advance, this hybrid version makes it even more appealing to me. Wonder how much it will cost in 3 years time looks even more attractive



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  • Re: BMW 7 Series Active Hybrid 7

    Oct 29, 2009 10:04 PM

     15bhp for 100kgs ahahahaha!

    you can get an extra whole engine of about 1.4 for 100kgs, that would give another 150bhp under turbo pressure, ten times more power that what the electric motor provides.

     

    Ban Diesel
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    Re: BMW 7 Series Active Hybrid 7

    Oct 29, 2009 10:24 PM

    beachland2:
    15bhp for 100kgs ahahahaha!
     

     this may come as a shock but hybrids are not about more power.

  • Re: BMW 7 Series Active Hybrid 7

    Oct 29, 2009 10:41 PM

    The bonnet alignment where it meets the grille/headlamp unit looks awful......

  • Re: BMW 7 Series Active Hybrid 7

    Oct 30, 2009 12:13 AM

    Amanitin:
    this may come as a shock but hybrids are not about more power.
     

    My point of view, which also this article is written to show is that the point of hybrid is for rich people to spend money on it, and they have cash for high fuel prices anyway, rendering the economy factor redundent, thats why its featured in luxury or sports vehicles as a business model. But then the above car doesn't work because even with that in mind, as it could be 100kgs lighter with the same power and potentially better mpg in some situations, ie mostly when being driven properly.

     

    Ban Diesel
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    Re: BMW 7 Series Active Hybrid 7

    Oct 30, 2009 7:20 AM

    beachland2:
    the point of hybrid is for rich people to spend money on it, and they have cash for high fuel prices anyway, rendering the economy factor redundent
     

     

    Firstly having the money and will to buy luxury cars does not mean being unaware of and insensitive to environment issues. In better parts of the world people do not accumulate wealth by being narrow minded and arrogant.

    Secondly in a lot of places hybrids do mean real cost savings even for those who don't care about fuel prices. Not sure about the UK, where I live there is a fee of around 13000£ for a 750 sort of car, and that's before applying VAT. For hybrids there is none.

  • Re: BMW 7 Series Active Hybrid 7

    Nov 01, 2009 6:30 PM

    Amanitin:
    Mild hybrids produce pretty much the same effect on urban fuel consumption with less complexity and weight.
    How can this possibly be true? I'm not sure about your definition of a mild hybrid either. Is this an internationally recognised definition?
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