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  • Seat Ibiza Cupra

    Oct 21, 2009 9:16 AM

    Seat has successfully jazzed up the standard Ibiza’s cabin for the Cupra, the most obvious upgrades being the large sports seats and chunky, flat-bottomed leather steering wheel.


    The aluminium pedals and wheel-mounted paddles are likeable additions that enhance the cabin’s appeal. Add the solid-feeling build quality, minimalist switchgear and broad range of seat adjustment and the Ibiza’s cabin is one of the most user-friendly in its class.


    Finding a comfortable driving positi...Read the full article

  • Re: Seat Ibiza Cupra

    Oct 21, 2009 9:27 AM

    Autocar:
    The boot is a little smaller than that of its obvious rivals

    really? So the Alfa Romeo MiTo isn't a rival? - 270 litres

    Autocar:
    But the experience is let down by inconsistent steering weight from the electrically assisted power steering

    maybe, is often a characteristic drawback of electrically-assisted power steering systems but then the Ibiza Cupra's is electro-hydraulic, at least according to the maker, Seat, but what would they know. Autocar is bound to be right.

    Funny how other publications' reports on this product have it scoring at least four stars out of five or beating Autocar's beloved Alfa MiTo (1.4TB Veloce) clearly, in a comparison test - for example 1.5 secs qucker 0-60mph.

    Autocar is becoming tediously predictable in both its slack, uncaring quantitative reporting, eg. the boot space, power steering system comments on this car, and more seriously, its open bias to certain cars, or rather marques, and it patent bias against others. One could have predicted the hatchet job on this car/make before one read it.

  • Re: Seat Ibiza Cupra

    Oct 21, 2009 10:45 AM

     So if it revs to 7Krpm at what point does it force a gear change in manual mode? it wont let you bounce off the limiter?

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    Re: Seat Ibiza Cupra

    Oct 21, 2009 12:47 PM

    +1000 rogerthecabinboy

    Autocar:
    "The only obvious signs of cost-cutting are a few hard plastics and the cheap mechanism that tips the rear seat bases forward, which you must do if you want to fold the 60/40 split seat backs flat."

    Autocar:
    "The placement of the paddle shifters on the steering wheel is fine, but they need to be bigger and easier to trigger, especially for track use."

    It sounds like you are used to find soft-touch materials everywhere in the cabin of a supermini car... And really you 've never seen before exactly the same paddle shifters or even 'the same cheap mechanism that tips the rear seat bases forward' in a VAG car? I believe you have and since no one else has ever complained, I would like to have your opinion when it comes for those in a VW for example in order to see what your criterias are ...

    Autocar:
    "Our test car came with optional £800 leather seats, which are expensive but are preferable to the cheap-feeling standard material."

    Unless you had parked aside a car fitted with the so called 'cheap-feeling standard material', I find no reason for a comment like that in this specific road test. No reason though to disagree with your making comments like this and ...expressing your feelings when itcomes along comparing different levels of equipment, ... again as if all cars come with standard high quality textiles etc in the same price. Unfortunately, your writing gives the wrong impression as if you 're not trying to be objective.

    Autocar:
    "Rear passengers will feel more claustrophobic in the Cupra than in a standard Ibiza Sport Coupé due to the large front seats"

    It happens to be a great issue in a supermini car on track, as you say... Apparently not an issue for any of its competitors.

    Autocar:
    "The Cupra has a rather less ground-breaking chassis, using MacPherson struts at the front and a torsion beam with trailing arms at the rear."

    The Cupra doesn't share its platform and many parts of the chassis with the latest VW Polo? Of course if it were for the Polo, the same platform wouldn't be considered an issue as it happens to be the latest VAG supermiini platform! Or perhaps you could name lots of cars in this segment, other than the Mini, which haven't got a torsion beam in the rear axle...

    Autocar:
    "the supposedly sporting ‘S’ mode frustrates, hanging onto gears too long and occasionally getting confused by a sudden throttle input and throwing the car off balance."

    Yeap, I am sure the same DSG gearbox as soon as it will be tested on the Polo is going to be called brilliant and revolutionary!

    Autocar:
    "But the experience is let down by inconsistent steering weight from the electrically assisted power steering, which reduces the resistance too much at slow speeds, resulting in a lack of feel and precision. This improves at higher speeds as the specially adapted servo weights up the steering, but there is never a real sense of connection."

    Autocar:
    "The standard brakes may be effective, but they are not consistent. Push the brake pedal as hard as possible and you activate the Emergency Brake Assist, which results in a quite violent change in responses. It would work well in the emergency situation it is developed for, and you’re unlikely to activate it on road, but on track it is extremely disconcerting and easy to activate, despite the noticeable difference in pressure on the pedal."

    Actually this is what happens when you push the brake pedal ...as hard as possible! There should be no doubt that the same tech features (brakes and steering weight) in a Polo or any of its rivals would make the job in an unquestionable way...

    Autocar:
    "Disappointingly for a company that claims its products are defined by their dynamism, the Seat is less competitive in this performance sector. The Cupra’s chassis and engine combination work well enough. It responds quickly and has ample grip for both road and track driving."

    Autocar:
    "The XDS diff is a worthwhile addition, though, virtually eliminating torque steer at anything other than full load in first or second gear, and even then it is a minor interference. XDS also gives the Ibiza excellent traction out of corners. Get on the throttle too early and the front axle will gradually lose traction, but it is easily brought back into line by easing off the throttle."

    And now the same chassis works well enough in combination with the engine and the XDS, despite the fact you 're implying it is only this company that claims for itself its products are defined by their dynamism, and their products don't seem to follow...

    Autocar:
    "Body roll is well contained, too. The nose may dive under heavy braking, but no more so than any of its rivals, and cornering is flat in all but the most severe direction changes."

    Another way of saying that the nose will dive less than any of its rivals or the same in the worst case...

    Autocar:
    "The Cupra’s handling may not be all that inspiring, but it has a supple ride which betters that of most of its rivals. The well controlled suspension can be caught out on sharp intrusions, but generally it absorbs the worst breaks and undulations with little more than a muffled thump in the cabin."

    In conclusion 'a body roll which is well contained' and a chassis - that is not 'ground-breaking' - 'has a supple ride which betters that of most of its rivals', working well enough 'in combination witk the engine' and the XDS giving 'the Ibiza excellent traction out of corners' but at the same time 'the Cupra's handling may not be that inspiring! And you want us to believe... Okay

  • Re: Seat Ibiza Cupra

    Oct 21, 2009 12:52 PM

  • Price as tested £15,995
  • Price as tested £18,994
  • Which one is right?

    I suspect the higher figure, poor reporting....

     19k for an Ibiza is a lot

  • Re: Seat Ibiza Cupra

    Oct 21, 2009 2:10 PM

     Base price - £15,995

     Price with extras (as on our test car) - £18,994

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    Re: Seat Ibiza Cupra

    Oct 21, 2009 4:36 PM

    authentic:

    +1000 rogerthecabinboy

    Autocar:
    "The only obvious signs of cost-cutting are a few hard plastics and the cheap mechanism that tips the rear seat bases forward, which you must do if you want to fold the 60/40 split seat backs flat."

    Autocar:
    "The placement of the paddle shifters on the steering wheel is fine, but they need to be bigger and easier to trigger, especially for track use."

    It sounds like you are used to find soft-touch materials everywhere in the cabin of a supermini car... And really you 've never seen before exactly the same paddle shifters or even 'the same cheap mechanism that tips the rear seat bases forward' in a VAG car? I believe you have and since no one else has ever complained, I would like to have your opinion when it comes for those in a VW for example in order to see what your criterias are ...

    Autocar:
    "Our test car came with optional £800 leather seats, which are expensive but are preferable to the cheap-feeling standard material."

    Unless you had parked aside a car fitted with the so called 'cheap-feeling standard material', I find no reason for a comment like that in this specific road test. No reason though to disagree with your making comments like this and ...expressing your feelings when itcomes along comparing different levels of equipment, ... again as if all cars come with standard high quality textiles etc in the same price. Unfortunately, your writing gives the wrong impression as if you 're not trying to be objective.

    Autocar:
    "Rear passengers will feel more claustrophobic in the Cupra than in a standard Ibiza Sport Coupé due to the large front seats"

    It happens to be a great issue in a supermini car on track, as you say... Apparently not an issue for any of its competitors.

    Autocar:
    "The Cupra has a rather less ground-breaking chassis, using MacPherson struts at the front and a torsion beam with trailing arms at the rear."

    The Cupra doesn't share its platform and many parts of the chassis with the latest VW Polo? Of course if it were for the Polo, the same platform wouldn't be considered an issue as it happens to be the latest VAG supermiini platform! Or perhaps you could name lots of cars in this segment, other than the Mini, which haven't got a torsion beam in the rear axle...

    Autocar:
    "the supposedly sporting ‘S’ mode frustrates, hanging onto gears too long and occasionally getting confused by a sudden throttle input and throwing the car off balance."

    Yeap, I am sure the same DSG gearbox as soon as it will be tested on the Polo is going to be called brilliant and revolutionary!

    Autocar:
    "But the experience is let down by inconsistent steering weight from the electrically assisted power steering, which reduces the resistance too much at slow speeds, resulting in a lack of feel and precision. This improves at higher speeds as the specially adapted servo weights up the steering, but there is never a real sense of connection."

    Autocar:
    "The standard brakes may be effective, but they are not consistent. Push the brake pedal as hard as possible and you activate the Emergency Brake Assist, which results in a quite violent change in responses. It would work well in the emergency situation it is developed for, and you’re unlikely to activate it on road, but on track it is extremely disconcerting and easy to activate, despite the noticeable difference in pressure on the pedal."

    Actually this is what happens when you push the brake pedal ...as hard as possible! There should be no doubt that the same tech features (brakes and steering weight) in a Polo or any of its rivals would make the job in an unquestionable way...

    Autocar:
    "Disappointingly for a company that claims its products are defined by their dynamism, the Seat is less competitive in this performance sector. The Cupra’s chassis and engine combination work well enough. It responds quickly and has ample grip for both road and track driving."

    Autocar:
    "The XDS diff is a worthwhile addition, though, virtually eliminating torque steer at anything other than full load in first or second gear, and even then it is a minor interference. XDS also gives the Ibiza excellent traction out of corners. Get on the throttle too early and the front axle will gradually lose traction, but it is easily brought back into line by easing off the throttle."

    And now the same chassis works well enough in combination with the engine and the XDS, despite the fact you 're implying it is only this company that claims for itself its products are defined by their dynamism, and their products don't seem to follow...

    Autocar:
    "Body roll is well contained, too. The nose may dive under heavy braking, but no more so than any of its rivals, and cornering is flat in all but the most severe direction changes."

    Another way of saying that the nose will dive less than any of its rivals or the same in the worst case...

    Autocar:
    "The Cupra’s handling may not be all that inspiring, but it has a supple ride which betters that of most of its rivals. The well controlled suspension can be caught out on sharp intrusions, but generally it absorbs the worst breaks and undulations with little more than a muffled thump in the cabin."

    In conclusion 'a body roll which is well contained' and a chassis - that is not 'ground-breaking' - 'has a supple ride which betters that of most of its rivals', working well enough 'in combination witk the engine' and the XDS giving 'the Ibiza excellent traction out of corners' but at the same time 'the Cupra's handling may not be that inspiring! And you want us to believe... Okay

    I've got to be honest, you've got far too much time on your hands to be able to quote Autocar on so many things
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    Re: Seat Ibiza Cupra

    Oct 21, 2009 4:51 PM

    KevH08:
    I've got to be honest, you've got far too much time on your hands to be able to quote Autocar on so many things

    I am happy to see you are honest.

    I 've spent far too much time in my hands reading Autocar's review,

    hoping it addresses to people like me who can find some.

     

    I am also glad that you paid attention on what I 've quoted, did you?

     

    However I must have missed your own point of view on the review...

  • Re: Seat Ibiza Cupra

    Oct 21, 2009 5:06 PM

     All this free consumer criticism must be doing autocar good. Companies normally have to spend lots of money on research and form filling to get a picture of things.

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    Re: Seat Ibiza Cupra

    Oct 21, 2009 5:49 PM

    No need to comment, I guess this applies to all

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    Re: Seat Ibiza Cupra

    Oct 21, 2009 6:06 PM

    I remember buying a Leon Cupra in 2003 for £14995 with a 1.8T 180 engine and similar spec less the auto part. I know car's are more expensive but the base price of the Ibiza seems a little pricy. I think the styling is a little staid and not loud enough for a cupra although I love the Cupra badge on the front bumper and the flat bottomed steering wheel stole from the Golf GTi, Auid S4 ect. It  nice little car but also a little expensive for what it is.

    I would of hoped for a manual option to help reduce the price but it seems the Skoda Fabia  VRS is to have the same engine and gearbox combo

  • Re: Seat Ibiza Cupra

    Oct 21, 2009 6:49 PM

    Jim Holder:

     Base price - £15,995

     Price with extras (as on our test car) - £18,994

    Jim you really ought to sort this long running confusion out. In the headline you need to say either:

    Price as tested £18,994

    OR

    From £15,995

    both of which being a great deal clearer and indeed more truthful than what you have now. Let's face it, the two numbers are apart by almost 20% and £15,995 is really not the price of the car tested anyway.

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