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  • Jaguar XFR

    May 27, 2009 5:33 AM

    • lambo1
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    Re: Jaguar XFR

    May 27, 2009 7:29 AM

    Yum yum!!!
  • Re: Jaguar XFR

    May 27, 2009 9:29 AM

    Ok, let's look some of the conclusions reached in the verdict:

    "....it plays the role of refined mile-eater at least as well as any so-called luxury car"

    So the XFR must be as refined (if not more so) as the likes of S-Class, 7-Series, Lexus LS etc!

     "....other it has sufficient raw dynamic ability to drop a BMW M5 in a heartbeat..."

    Why the XFR also outhandles the M5 with ease!

    "....It is also extremely well made, very well equipped, entirely comfortable for four people and their luggage and several thousand pounds cheaper than its nearest rivals, none of which are as fast in the real world...."

    And it also apepars the XFR is faster than, say, something like the Audi RS6 in the real world, to boot!     Clearly the XFR is an excellent car and well done to Jaguar for producing such a competitive high perfromance sports slaoon, but quite honestly this kind of overblown (bordering on the school kids level) adulation and so obviously biased type of journalism, does the Autocar testing objectivity and credibility no credit.
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    Re: Jaguar XFR

    May 27, 2009 9:47 AM

    You know what would be great:

    -XFR vs M5

    -Spa-Francorchamps (no German or British racetracks)

    -An accomplished non-british and non-german driver

    -Three runs of a warm-up lap, flying lap and slow down lap for each car

    -Cold hard stats

    Come on Autocar, you've got the resources for this. Let's see these two REALLY go at it!

    • Ski Kid
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    Re: Jaguar XFR

    May 27, 2009 11:05 AM

    The XF looks the business far nicer than a boring BMW, Audi or Merc you dont need to say anything else as it has been said before.Except comments on the lights they are probably that shape due to the nice sculpture of the bonnet, have narrower lights you would trade that off with less sculpture.

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    Re: Jaguar XFR

    May 27, 2009 11:21 AM

    Ski Kid:
    The XF looks the business far nicer than a boring BMW, Audi or Merc


    Two points : this review is not about the regular XF, it's about the XF-R and everyone's primary concern is what it's like behind the wheel. Claiming that it outshines the Germans on both luxury and handling/performance just seems a bit rich to me.

    The second point is about the looks : the XF just isn't a particularly exciting design. The concept DID look better, but to me it has the road presence of a Lexus GS.

    I'm not Jag-knocking here, on the contrary I am between Jags at the moment, but this article lacks credibility by virtue of its excessive adulation.
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    Re: Jaguar XFR

    May 27, 2009 11:36 AM

    This car must be a sort of miracle.

    "There seems to be little standing between the XFR and total domination of the class"

    "The XFR strikes a balance between ride comfort, handling precision, body control and steering accuracy that is genuinely unique in our experience, even at this rarefied level of the market"

    "Five-star road test verdicts are pretty rare in this business, but the XFR deserves one more than just about any car we can think of right now"

    So it's almost as good as a Mondeo or a Focus, in Autocar language?

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    Re: Jaguar XFR

    May 27, 2009 12:50 PM

    Forget if its faster or more luxurious than a german/japanese/marsian car, has anyone noticed the last picture?!  For a car weighing just shy of 2 tons thats an impressive amount of air beneath those wheels!  Jaguar entering the Paris-Dakar next year?!

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    Re: Jaguar XFR

    May 27, 2009 12:59 PM

    The XFR is virtually the same as an XF so the fact the review is of the XFR is  not relevant ,it is the same monocoque body shell.What is classed as an exciting design ?Ferraris are not really good looking except for the 430 the others would not look out of place with a Hyundai bade on. i do agree that the concepts do get diluted by the time the car enters production .The Porche 911 the back end is nice but the front is boring ,although  agood car.I have had the German stuff as well as the Brits and  must say I I have had less problems with them inc Land Rover , so may be  I have been lucky.The latest JD Power puts the XF at top spot even after initial niggles on early cars.

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    Re: Jaguar XFR

    May 27, 2009 1:01 PM

     

  • Re: Jaguar XFR

    May 27, 2009 1:04 PM

    Overdrive:
    Clearly the XFR is an excellent car and well done to Jaguar for producing such a competitive high perfromance sports slaoon, but quite honestly this kind of overblown (bordering on the school kids level) adulation and so obviously biased type of journalism, does the Autocar testing objectivity and credibility no credit.

    The M5 and E63 both received exactly the same level of praise in Autocar, which depending on the car you drive is obviously biased towards every other manufacturer.

    I'm so bored of reading how Autocar is biased towards BMW, Audi, Ford, VW, Jaguar or whichever brand the poster happens to hate this week. Please people, just get over it.

    The XFR was specifically set up for British roads and is bound to work better than almost anything else here. If you think Autocar is biased towards Jaguar, please go read an X-Type vs 3 Series Autocar road test.

  • Re: Jaguar XFR

    May 27, 2009 2:44 PM

    Orangewheels:

    Overdrive:
    Clearly the XFR is an excellent car and well done to Jaguar for producing such a competitive high perfromance sports slaoon, but quite honestly this kind of overblown (bordering on the school kids level) adulation and so obviously biased type of journalism, does the Autocar testing objectivity and credibility no credit.

    The M5 and E63 both received exactly the same level of praise in Autocar, which depending on the car you drive is obviously biased towards every other manufacturer.

    I'm so bored of reading how Autocar is biased towards BMW, Audi, Ford, VW, Jaguar or whichever brand the poster happens to hate this week. Please people, just get over it.

    The XFR was specifically set up for British roads and is bound to work better than almost anything else here. If you think Autocar is biased towards Jaguar, please go read an X-Type vs 3 Series Autocar road test.

    Orange, normally I agree with you, but not on this point, at least not totally.

    I never ever read that the M5 and E63 "are at least as refined as any luxury car". I never read that even the M5 (which generally used to be considered the best handling of the big sports saloons), was SO MUCH better that it could "drop the best of its rivals in a heart beat", never mind the E63. And I certainly never read the M5 or E63 having the fastest real world performance that none of its rivals could match, when this wasn't the case (and whatever else you might think, the XFR is not faster than the RS6).

    The XFR currently may well be well the best all-round sports saloon in the UK, which is great to see (about time Jag started to lived up to the promise), but it's these factually dubious claims (and let's face it, it's highly unlikely that XFR is "at least as refined as an S-Class or the big Lexus) and clearly partisan nonsense that Autocar feels it needs to feed people to make this car sound like something from outer space that's laughable and makes one incredulous.

    Also, I don't buy this suggestion of a pro-BMW bias in Autocar, which comes up quite often. Loads of BMW models have been thoroughly slagged off (in some cases rightly) in Autocar e.g. the X3, 6-series, the 7- series, some 1-series models etc. Even some of BMW's best cars like the M5 only receive qualifed prise (e.g. terrible gear box, diesel clatter engine noise at low speeds etc).

    However, you are correct that for whatever reason, Jaguar and Ford (with the exception of perhaps the x-type, which very obviously wasn't particularly good), seem to always receive uncritical and overblown praise in the Autocar and that's the issue I'm referring to. Heck, according to Autocar the XF's predecessor, the S-type, was already better the current 5-seires! Need I say more?

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