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Jaguar is poised to launch the world’s first electric-drive luxury saloon, a version of the next-gen XJ, after the European Union last week agreed a loan for new green technology.

The breakthrough Jag XJ four-door will use similar tech to the Vauxhall Ampera/Chevy Volt. Those cars run on electric power from batteries that are charged mainly by hooking up to the grid, but are also capable of being recharged on the move by a small-capacity engine.

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With JLR I will believe it when I see it......JLR simply have not the money to do all of this reported.......no way unless Rata Tata is realy going to stump a lot of cash? (which I doubt).  By the sounds of the loan they are stating (Autocar is reporting) that they are using the loan for the development of engines/transmissions and body shells....i.e. all the components you need for the LRX; how strange is that...

If this is all teh cash they have, then we will see the LRX and we should see the new XJ; wether it is actually coming with electric drive, I will not be holding my breath; I suspect that more more will be needed....but time will tell.

With regards to the "electric" system....was this not already conceived?  I seem to remember news stories going back 18 months now (it could be two years)....but I am certain it was 18 months; which does make you wonder what the loan is for? I guess basically getting all these items to market?.....which looking at the GM voltec system.......well, that cost a lot and we will see.

The funny thing is they could have just bought the Voltec chassis from GM under license and done a joint deal with GM with regards to increasing the platform size; noting like "reinventing the wheel"!!....in NPD terms reinventing the wheel is pointless unless decent terms were not given by GM....but I doubt it; it seems hyper strange they did not take that option when that chassis is ready and could be installed in several other cars.

GM will get gov. fiunding (nothing surer) and it would have assisted JLR in the USA......but hey; so basically we (the UK tax payer) underwrite the LRR development, the finalising of the Voltec (style) system and some alloy (low weight) bodies which as I understand JLR can get more loans/grants for......when you look at what has been pumped into a NON UK owned firm and when you look at what UK owned tech. firms have to go through who need less money and will return more and better profits......it just make you sick.....

So now we have paid for JLR and all its development (as I stated last time with the "turning £300m into £600m") it seems JLR has potentially placed in £200m, part of which they get back in tax credits and part of which they get back from other grants i.e. the £40m they got for the tech. centre.....what a mess (we have just given them shed loads of money).  Now the question is.....are JLR coming back to the UK gov. for the other £700m as reported? I really am upset by this.....we do not even own them....why not do a deal with GM...why re-invent the wheel......I just think its a mess and to me look blindly run by people with rose tinted glasses.....but time will tell....I had little respect for them before...I have no respect for JLR now, not one bit.

 

Change the record North, we all know you hate anything that is not from the Fatherland, give it a rest. Have you heard of James Allen? More importantly, this entry comes to you via my daughters Nintendo DSi, how cool is that North?

BH; stop trying to pick a fight....I 100% love UK Plc.....and that is part of my concern, I have my own business and to see what is being pumped into JLR and the manner in which it is being done I find shocking.  Out of interest I will be opening a manufacturing centre in the UK, I will be employing UK people etc and my business is a tech. firm so I know what I am talking about....I suspect...(in fact I am pretty sure I know) you do know anything of that side of life.

Daimler did not go "crying" to the German Gov. for funding, they went and found other private funders; that is brilliant and shows the strength of the products/strategy they have and the brand; Daimler spent £billions on R&D whereas JLR lived only for the day.....the difference is now showing; I have lost all respect for JLR.  Need I remind you that if JLR had been as good, they would not be in the mess they are in now....FACT.....that is not something you can debate....it is just simply FACT.

They are now making more mistakes with tax payers money...you tell me I have not got a right to question.....of course I have....the amount of money they have now absorbed when we the tax payer are going to get very little back with no means of security; I have a right to question.....in business deals you do not get such easy terms...it really is shocking if the UK gov underwrite this with no security against all IP and the use of them until the loan is paid back and afterwards also.

What I suggest actually protects the workers at JLR (more than they are now), it also protects the technology and other UK jobs....SO...BH....get your facts RIGHT, spend time understanding what people have written and yes I love UK Plc.....which is why I have said what I said....I also love America, Germany, France, Italy etc etc etc; I am a UK national and thus yes I want to make sure the UK gets a good deal.....without any form of security we get a bad deal....FACT. 

You remind me of scummy plumber and that Steve G guy (which were both one and the same)....someone I hoped had left this forum.....if I am honest you disgust me not only in the name you have picked but through your total ignorance and bad attitude....which is strange as you seem to want or crave peoples respect.

JLR are making mistakes, its seems one bad decision after another; maybe I will be wrong...maybe so......time will tell; but its mistake after mistake and now JLR seem rudderless (I really think they are in trouble) and we are underwritting it with no security......you are dam right I will voice my concern and you are dam right I care about the UK and all the JLR employees (all those jobs) which is why I have referenced the need for security on the IP (all IP) to be taken.......as said, read what people write.

Daimler is not better than JLR by accident, its better by design......do not go around knocking successful companies; the German people are brilliant and wonderful people, as are us here in the UK (with some exceptions....one of them is you BH); the Americans are brilliant and wonderful people, as are the French, Italians, Spainish, Brazilian etc etc....i.e. everyone in the world is wonderful and brilliant with the exception of terrorists and small minded bigots like you BH....(you have only to look at your name to see the sort of person you are.......) you bring shame on the UK.

North:

BH; stop trying to pick a fight....I 100% love UK Plc.....and that is part of my concern, I have my own business and to see what is being pumped into JLR and the manner in which it is being done I find shocking.  Out of interest I will be opening a manufacturing centre in the UK, I will be employing UK people etc and my business is a tech. firm so I know what I am talking about....I suspect...(in fact I am pretty sure I know) you do know anything of that side of life.

Daimler did not go "crying" to the German Gov. for funding, they went and found other private funders; that is brilliant and shows the strength of the products/strategy they have and the brand; Daimler spent £billions on R&D whereas JLR lived only for the day.....the difference is now showing; I have lost all respect for JLR.  Need I remind you that if JLR had been as good, they would not be in the mess they are in now....FACT.....that is not something you can debate....it is just simply FACT.

They are now making more mistakes with tax payers money...you tell me I have not got a right to question.....of course I have....the amount of money they have now absorbed when we the tax payer are going to get very little back with no means of security; I have a right to question.....in business deals you do not get such easy terms...it really is shocking if the UK gov underwrite this with no security against all IP and the use of them until the loan is paid back and afterwards also.

What I suggest actually protects the workers at JLR (more than they are now), it also protects the technology and other UK jobs....SO...BH....get your facts RIGHT, spend time understanding what people have written and yes I love UK Plc.....which is why I have said what I said....I also love America, Germany, France, Italy etc etc etc; I am a UK national and thus yes I want to make sure the UK gets a good deal.....without any form of security we get a bad deal....FACT. 

You remind me of scummy plumber and that Steve G guy (which were both one and the same)....someone I hoped had left this forum.....if I am honest you disgust me not only in the name you have picked but through your total ignorance and bad attitude....which is strange as you seem to want or crave peoples respect.

JLR are making mistakes, its seems one bad decision after another; maybe I will be wrong...maybe so......time will tell; but its mistake after mistake and now JLR seem rudderless (I really think they are in trouble) and we are underwritting it with no security......you are dam right I will voice my concern and you are dam right I care about the UK and all the JLR employees (all those jobs) which is why I have referenced the need for security on the IP (all IP) to be taken.......as said, read what people write.

Daimler is not better than JLR by accident, its better by design......do not go around knocking successful companies; the German people are brilliant and wonderful people, as are us here in the UK (with some exceptions....one of them is you BH); the Americans are brilliant and wonderful people, as are the French, Italians, Spainish, Brazilian etc etc....i.e. everyone in the world is wonderful and brilliant with the exception of terrorists and small minded bigots like you BH....(you have only to look at your name to see the sort of person you are.......) you bring shame on the UK.

That told me......I think.....how would anyone know with that bastardisation of the beautiful language? I reckon you could have done that in a third of the words though and I don't think I've ever been put into the same category as a terrorist. I really enjoyed your 'rudderless' analogy, how apt for this piece of nationalistic, jingoistic and rambling piece of fervour masquerading as narrative. Good work North, you undermine your main points far more convincingly that anyone else here seems to be able to. Why does everyone disagree with you? Do you have 'pub bores' where you live? It's just a forum North, it's not something over which you have any control.

You also said the word FACT a few times.......JJBoxster used to say that all the time. And we all remember what a k nob he was.

Ah halogen days! JJBoxster. Whatever happened to him? North - get a sense of humour.

I'd be content if he just got a 'DICTIONARY' to use in tandem with some English lessons. I really don't know if he has a point on anything.

back to the point...

Great idea, but wouldn't it be better to put it on the volume model i.e. the XF as opposed to the XJ which sells about 500-1000 models per month, even when they launch the new XJ? 

BH; I enjoy it because it is a forum...a free exchange of ideas, comments etc...I am not controlling anything or even trying to control anything and best form of things especially like this is organic i.e. it moves along as it goes.....people come and go and exchange opinion.....in there own ways.....that is the beauty of it......I am not controlling anything.

Its funny that you perceive I am trying to control...and then inform me that you think I should use less words and state "everyone disagrees" (which they may do) but you are the only respondent?.......you try and shift exhange to personal and alter from the subject....a guess because you are scared or actual debate....you try and push to the lowest common point adn you try to get personal; you are a fool. 

People can discuss things how they like (its a forum)...you do not seem to have the ability to cope without control.....which is funny (as said) as it was you that brought it up...as I also said you are a fool.....(a prize fool)....you talk of contradiction with me.....here you are......you are truly a fool; there are no pub bores where I live and the only one I know is you i.e. you appear to depict yourself as a domestic bore....a pig, me I think you are a muppet.....and strangely enough control you do have is if I decide to respond to peoples comments (which is the base of your capability).....control....you make me laugh!!....I am not controlling this forum or would even try too......(forums are not for that).......one thing that makes me laugh is you talking of control.....i.e. you ain't got any......I doubt you have even much control in your own life........the thing you crave you do not have.....it is why you try to deflect onto other..........not me I do not crave control.......I am laughing at you BH....your impotence and self importance....as said you are a fool.

Not at all North, the ideas you express are like a scatter gun, why would I agree with something poorly articulated and insufficiently detailed.It's a grown up's forum, I don't think it is unreasonable to expect you to justify your arguments/ To be fair to you North, the comparisons are interesting but, IMO, rather pointless. They are two very different companies, one is a volume manufacturer with a range of cars across all sectors and the other is limited to niches and those niches are really suffering during the present financial emergency. Don't tell me Mercedes are selling anything like the number of SL's and S Class's they were this time 18 months ago. He's created a context around which to frame a notion. Neither of which are really applicable to the financial circumstances of either company. Perception is everything, I well remember Jag's littering the hard shoulders of the UK with their bonnets up, I'm not altogether sure they ever really lost that image where it counted. A Merc purchased is decision made with one's head, a Jag is purchased is a decision made with one's heart. That won't be a concept expressed in any business plan or due diligence procedure. North, get a grip of yourself man, your whining dilutes your points and they are hard enough to follow in the best of circumstances.

North:

I 100% love UK Plc.

Kindly stop referring to these beautiful islands as UK Plc, you gormless philistine.