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  • First drive: Jaguar XFR

    Feb 16, 2009 2:42 PM

    What is it?


    The Jaguar XFR is the British company’s rival to the BMW M5 and the Mercedes E63 AMG.

    The XFR builds on the now familiar XF saloon recipe but is powered by an all-new 503bhp direct injection supercharged V8. It also gets substantial chassis changes, including different spring rates, a newly developed continuously variable electronic damping system and a new electronically controlled rear differential.

    The new XFR also benefits from enhancements to the steeri...Read the full article
  • Britain knows best

    Feb 16, 2009 5:23 PM

    Truly magnificent news,

    I've been waiting to hear about this ride for a while now. Now I need to find a way to get the neccessary coin together to buy one. A steady diet of Australian touring cars growing up ensures the instant appeal of an everyday saloon being turned into a weapon of mass destruction. A car that is (nearly) every thing to every man is simply too great to deny. My only fear, is that the timing of it's release may not allow this very beautiful thing to enjoy anything like the success it deserves. A similar situation for any vehicle released to market in the coming 12 to 24 months though surely. I also think it so incredibly commendable that British marques like Jaguar and Lotus can build such world class vehicles on what must surely be shoe string budgets compared ot their key rivals. Proving you can't put a price on genius.

    Bring on the group test!

     

     

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    Re: Britain knows best

    Feb 16, 2009 7:14 PM

    Sounds awesome.  Hopefully not a case of over-patriotism, but this sounds like a slam dunk for Jag vs the M5, E63, RS6 - aging competition, but I can't see anything new coming down the pipeline soon.

     

    Bring it!!
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    Re: First drive: Jaguar XFR

    Feb 16, 2009 8:45 PM

    Great news that Jaguar is joining in on the fun but I can't help thinking that a brand new 2010/11 M5 will decimate all when it arrives. However, I'm sure the Germans have taken note.

  • Re: First drive: Jaguar XFR

    Feb 16, 2009 11:01 PM

    bigsipt:

    Great news that Jaguar is joining in on the fun but I can't help thinking that a brand new 2010/11 M5 will decimate all when it arrives. However, I'm sure the Germans have taken note.

    I am sure the new M5 will decimate it, however the cars are aimed at different customers IMO, M5 for the ones that must have a propellor and nothing else will do ever,and geeks who like to talk about the 20 gazillion throttle modes and gear change patterns etc. XFR for the ones that want a car that you can take your granny shopping in and then have fun in on your way home once you have dropped her off and you don't need a degree in computing to get going, just stick it in D and go.
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    Re: Britain knows best

    Feb 17, 2009 12:37 AM

    Great job. 

    I too sense a bit of over-patriotism, (IMO nothing really beats a BMW M5 at being just that; that's not to say that's what the XF's trying to be) but this is definitely a car that compliments the engineering prowess that has gone into the XF project.

    Kudos to Cross et al..

    • North
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    Re: Britain knows best

    Feb 17, 2009 7:50 AM

    As said the previous time this article was on the site......well done JLR....if the car is that good then I think it is great and showcases the tech. talent in the UK.......this in turn shows other overseas firms that great people are here in the UK and may encourage more overseas firms to come here.

    I do think the timing is correct and as people know I do question JLR strategy and product mix......5l V8 in a reccession?....and JLR have a long way to go but at least this shows they have the tech. ability...they have a long way to go and still lots to prove....not least, but as said I wish them all the best.

    However and I will say it again, JLR is not a UK firm, it is not British, it is an overseas (Indian) business....I am not for protectionism (no way....ref. first paragraph and welcome all businesses to the UK (assuming they are legal)) but JLR are not a British Company any more.....they are owned by TATA which is an overseas company......this is not about protectionism (or anything else for that matter), this is simply about how it is....in the article it could be said "the UK subsidiary of TATA"....there is nothing wrong with that......but it is NO LONGER a British Company and you need to be clear about the distinction to UK owned manufacturers/businesses.......call a spade a spade and call it how it is...."JLR the UK subsidiary of TATA"....not "the British Company"......

    Otherwise you are saying there is no difference between a company that just makes stuff here and a company that makes stuff here and is also owned here.....and there is a difference....people talk of pratriotism..so make the distinction....this JLR model showcases UK tech. talent......a UK owned tech business showscases UK tech. talent and UK business talent......the ability to put it all together here in the UK, from finance, through design, patents etc to manufacturing and sales.......both are important (for sure) and both assist each other (doubly for sure) but distinction needs to be clear and needs to be made; "JLR is the UK subsidiary of TATA" is how it should be presented (or something similar)...but not.."Jaguar the British Company"....

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    Re: Britain knows best

    Feb 17, 2009 6:10 PM

    North:
    JLR is not a UK firm
    Um... depends on your definition of a 'British' car firm in context to the state of our car industry as a whole. I'd agree JLR is not as 'British' as BMW is 'German' but as our final fully British owned big car firm died in 2005 when MG Rover collapsed I'd say Jaguar Land Rover is as British a car company as we got! All Jaguar Land Rover vehicles are conceived, designed, engineered, tested and made in the United Kingdom by an overwhelmingly British workforce. TATA do not run Jaguar LR day-to-day nor are any Jaguars or Land Rovers simply 're-badged' TATAs as is the case with many car groups (VW with Seat and Skoda for example). Let's stop the nitpicking and agree that the XFR is an very British product designed and produced here in the UK that we can be proud of.
    • kitt22
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    Re: Britain knows best

    Feb 17, 2009 6:10 PM

    North:
    JLR is not a UK firm
    Um... depends on your definition of a 'British' car firm in context to the state of our car industry as a whole. I'd agree JLR is not as 'British' as BMW is 'German' but as our final fully British owned big car firm died in 2005 when MG Rover collapsed I'd say Jaguar Land Rover is as British a car company as we got! All Jaguar Land Rover vehicles are conceived, designed, engineered, tested and made in the United Kingdom by an overwhelmingly British workforce. TATA do not run Jaguar LR day-to-day nor are any Jaguars or Land Rovers simply 're-badged' TATAs as is the case with many car groups (VW with Seat and Skoda for example). Let's stop the nitpicking and agree that the XFR is an very British product designed and produced here in the UK that we can be proud of.
    • kitt22
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    Re: Britain knows best

    Feb 17, 2009 6:11 PM

    North:
    JLR is not a UK firm
    Um... depends on your definition of a 'British' car firm in context to the state of our car industry as a whole. I'd agree JLR is not as 'British' as BMW is 'German' but as our final fully British owned big car firm died in 2005 when MG Rover collapsed I'd say Jaguar Land Rover is as British a car company as we got! All Jaguar Land Rover vehicles are conceived, designed, engineered, tested and made in the United Kingdom by an overwhelmingly British workforce. TATA do not run Jaguar LR day-to-day nor are any Jaguars or Land Rovers simply 're-badged' TATAs as is the case with many car groups (VW with Seat and Skoda for example). Let's stop the nitpicking and agree that the XFR is an very British product designed and produced here in the UK that we can be proud of.
    • kitt22
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    Re: Britain knows best

    Feb 17, 2009 6:17 PM

    North:
    JLR is not a UK firm
    Um... depends on your definition of a 'British' car firm in context to the state of our car industry as a whole. I'd agree JLR is not as 'British' as BMW is 'German' but as our final fully British owned big car firm died in 2005 when MG Rover collapsed I'd say Jaguar Land Rover is as British a car company as we got! All Jaguar Land Rover vehicles are conceived, designed, engineered, tested and made in the United Kingdom by an overwhelmingly British workforce. TATA do not run Jaguar LR day-to-day nor are any Jaguars or Land Rovers simply 're-badged' TATAs as is the case with many car groups (VW with Seat and Skoda for example). Let's stop the nitpicking and agree that the XFR is an very British product designed and produced here in the UK that we can be proud of.
  • Re: Britain knows best

    Feb 19, 2009 8:57 AM

    Totally agree with that sentiment, kitt22.

    After all, we are known for of magnificent cups of tea, but we don't grow it here.

    ...'T'is too much proved, that with devotions visage and pious action, we do sugar o'er the devil himself...
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