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  • Fiat 500 vs Audi Q7

    Jul 28, 2008 6:02 PM

    A spectacular crash test has proved that, despite its five-star EuroNCAP crash test performance, the Fiat 500 is far from indestructible.

    Frightening footage of an offset collision between the tiny hatch and Audi’s monsterous Q7 will leave many viewers cold. The crash test was conducted by a German magazine, and was designed to prove that – despite only having a four star NCAP rating – the big Audi is far better at protecting its occupants in a collision with a smaller, lighter car.
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  • Re: Fiat 500 vs Audi Q7

    Jul 28, 2008 6:03 PM

    At the risk of starting a 20 billion page thread, this seems to show that 4x4s are safer than mini cars.
  • Re: Fiat 500 vs Audi Q7

    Jul 28, 2008 6:37 PM

    No your kidding!

    What a break through!

    ...'T'is too much proved, that with devotions visage and pious action, we do sugar o'er the devil himself...
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    Re: Fiat 500 vs Audi Q7

    Jul 28, 2008 7:19 PM

     This film does not show the weakness of superminis but the sheer inappropriateness of 4x4s such as the massive Q7 for general public road use in built-up areas. It has been long established that collisions between 4x4s and even larger "regular" cars have devastating results for the occupants of the regular car due to the height difference and the resultant incompatibility between the safety cells. Saying that 4x4s are safer is simply not so...if you extended that logic to its natural conclusion then everyone would be pootling to the shops in Challenger tank, as "bigger is safer", with the accelerated dwindling of oil supplies

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    Re: Fiat 500 vs Audi Q7

    Jul 28, 2008 7:21 PM

    Autocar:
    The crash test was conducted by a German magazine,

    No it wasn't. It wasn't some poxy magazine, it was ADAC, Allgemeiner Deutscher Automobil-Club e.V.. The clue is in the YouTube clip you use with ADAC's logo all over it and www.adac.de/tv scrolling on it!

    For the fuller video - playing without delays - go to the horse's mouth at: http://www.adac.de/adactv/test_technik/Q7_Fiat500.asp?ComponentID=223370&SourcePageID=223167

    and see how a proper drivers' club provides for its members, unlike RAC, AA and so on. Oh and in Germany thanks to campaigning by ADAC and others the price of fuel has fallen by 10 cents since the peak price of crude three weeks ago; petrol(super) from €1.60 to €1.50/litre. Of such reductions at UK filling stations, as the Germans would say kein Spur!. UK as usual rip off/Treasure Island.

  • Re: Fiat 500 vs Audi Q7

    Jul 28, 2008 7:37 PM

    Frightening but hardly surprising. The simple physics and inertias involved imply that the smaller car should always be worse off. Nonetheless, the Fiat 500 retains the best safety rating in its class (not just the 5 stars, but 7 airbags and a score of 35) and the 4 stars for the Audi Q7 is horrendous when one considers its size and price. The same thing happens (with regard to price) when one also considers the much smaller Audi A3: we still have only 4 stars.

    From a safety point of view we either should all be driving small cars or all be driving tractors. Thankfully the first option is the driection we're heading in Europe (with the exception of Germany). Not so much because of safety but environmental concerns, today some eight countries in Europe impose heavy surcharges on SUVs at time of sale. Spain and France, for example, impose a 2500 euro surcharge on the Q7 (which is in the worst CO2 bracket) and SUV sales in these countires have nosedived in 2008. This is promising to be the trend in all of Europe (except Germany) in the short term.

  • Re: Fiat 500 vs Audi Q7

    Jul 28, 2008 8:00 PM

    brinardi:
    This film does not show the weakness of superminis but the sheer inappropriateness of 4x4s such as the massive Q7 for general public road use in built-up areas. It has been long established that collisions between 4x4s and even larger "regular" cars have devastating results for the occupants of the regular car due to the height difference and the resultant incompatibility between the safety cells. Saying that 4x4s are safer is simply not so...if you extended that logic to its natural conclusion then everyone would be pootling to the shops in Challenger tank, as "bigger is safer", with the accelerated dwindling of oil supplies
    Yes, you either buy a larger car or ban them altogether and have everyone driving around in excatly the same car. Given the latter is not going to happen and is totally undemocratic you are left with the conclusion that 4x4s are the safest form of car (not tank).
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    Re: Fiat 500 vs Audi Q7

    Jul 28, 2008 8:27 PM

    James Read:
    4x4s are the safest form of car
     

    Ah!

    But for whom?

    Platinum halo


  • Re: Fiat 500 vs Audi Q7

    Jul 28, 2008 8:42 PM

    Zeddy:

    Ah!

    But for whom?

    Don't be an arse. They are the safest car to drive, of course. What do you want to do : die in a small car with some form of smug, self-righteous belief that you really did the best thing for the community or survive in a 4x4 ? The one thing you won't be able to do is get large cars and 4x4s banned because that is what it will take to get your version of Utopia.
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    Re: Fiat 500 vs Audi Q7

    Jul 28, 2008 8:44 PM

    James Read:
    Don't be an arse.
     

    Why the animosity!?

    I simply asked the question from the view point of the driver of the small car.

    Not everyone wants to drive a big car.

    Platinum halo


  • Re: Fiat 500 vs Audi Q7

    Jul 28, 2008 8:49 PM

    What animosity ? Calm down dear ! That's true : not everyone does want to drive a large car and risk is one of the factors that no doubt comes into their minds when they take the decision to buy a small one. Its not right, though, to assume that people who buy large cars are putting drivers of smaller cars at risk. You have as much right to buy a larger car as I do. The difference is you don't need one.
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    Re: Fiat 500 vs Audi Q7

    Jul 28, 2008 8:54 PM

    James Read:
    You have as much right to buy a larger car as I do.
     

    I am all for freedom of choice, absolutely.

    I just thought to say the Audi was the safest was a very blinkered way of looking at it.


    Platinum halo


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