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  • Audi A4 Avant 3.2 FSI

    Apr 04, 2008 11:34 AM

    What is it?


    The estate version of Audi’s big-selling A4 and an important addition to the range, because the Avant takes a big portion of A4 sales, despite the outgoing model’s smaller than average loadbay.


    That’s been rectified this time around, in that there’s more room seats up than either the BMW 3-series Touring or Mercedes C-Class estate can muster, and seats-down the Merc only just betters the Audi.


    But, as we all know, ultimate load space matters less than the...Read the full article

  • Re: Audi A4 Avant 3.2 FSI

    Apr 04, 2008 11:48 AM

    "That said, all the diesel engines in the range will leave this version for dead" That's simply not true of the 2.0 and 2.7TDi engines, especially regarding the revised 2.0 litre diesel, regardless of torque figures. I appreciate the reasoning behind Autocar's continuous preference for diesles over petrols on economical terms (see also the recent BMW 120i convertible review), but I can read What Car for those sort of opinions. In Autocar, I expect more performance/enjoyment related opinions which are, perhaps, highly subjective rather than anchored in economics. I prefer to drive a diesel company car for purely economic reasons, and a good diesel it is too (Volvo V50 2.0D) - quiet, stronger performance in all areas than the equivalent 2.0 petrol, very frugal, etc. However, if I was in a slightly better financial position and without a baby on the way, I would upgrade to one of the bigger engines in the range and it would be the T5 petrol, not the D5 diesel. The reason being because I think there are many other factors for choosing an engine over diesel torque and economy. I generally prefer large capacity petrols over large capacity diesels, even when looking at the excellent 330 BMW diesels versus the equivalent BMW petrols. I would happily sacrifice some economy to get behind the wheel of these petrol engined versions as I prefer their character.
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    Re: Audi A4 Avant 3.2 FSI

    Apr 04, 2008 1:42 PM

    Agree with JulianPhillips. This obsession with 'instant diesel, tree-stump pulling torgue' is carrying itself away. Georg Kacher in the German auto press reports that VW Group have put a stop on development of the VR6 engine and is due to be effectively replaced by a 2.0 litre TFSI engine producing 280PS due to its inherently(four-cylinder) lower losses. But more important to this debate is that if the 2.0 TFSI unit follows the 1.4 and I.8 TFSI units already in Golfs and A4s then the torque graph should be at least the equal of the diesel TDIs, if not better. For instance, the 1.4 TFSI develops 80% of its maximum toque from 1500rpm whereas the equivalent TDI develops the same from 1750rpm. Yes on paper the forthcoming 2.0 TDI with 201 PS should be amazing with the better part of 300 lb ft, but I'd much sooner have a 280PS petrol 2 litre and scarifice a few pounds feet and a few theoretical long-haul mpg. TURBOCHARGED PETROLS ARE BACK BOYS AND GIRLS - TDI mania has just crested the hill and heading on down.

    Kacher's VW Group forthcoming engine report:

    Motoren: Der Vierzylinder hat die goldenen Jahre noch vor sich

    Bei BMW sind sie zu Recht stolz auf ihre Sechszylinder, doch wenn es um Efficient Dynamics geht, ist der Vierzylinder kaum zu schlagen. So hat die CO2- und Verbrauchsdiskussion den Wettbewerbsnachteil von Audi fast über Nacht in einen Vorteil verwandelt. Schließlich sind die Vierzylinder von der Donau prinzipbedingt leichter, sparsamer, sauberer und billiger als die Sechszylinder von der Isar. Die Konsequenz: VW hat die Entwicklung des VR6 TDI gestoppt und die Neuauflage des VR6-Benziners vertagt. Das ist nur konsequent, denn der Zweiliter-TDI mobilisiert demnächst 204 PS, der Zweiliter-TFSI kommt bald auf 280 PS. Und der von VW ausgeborgte 2,5-Liter-Fünfzylinder steht als Turbo mit 320 PS und 450 Nm derart gut im Futter, dass kaum jemand den durstigen VR6 vermissen dürfte. Noch spannender als die-se Leistungsfantasien ist das Downsizing-Potenzial des Vierzylinder-Benziners, das in Verbindung mit einfacher oder doppelter Aufladung erstaunlich günstige Verbrauchswerte ermöglicht. Die Audi-Planung für den A3-Nach-folger sieht im Detail so aus: • 1.2 TFSI, 105 PS/175 Nm • 1.4 TFSI, 125 PS/200 Nm • 1.8 TFSI, 160 PS/250 Nm • 2.0 TFSI, 211 PS/350 Nm.

    Autobild 2/4/2008

  • Re: Audi A4 Avant 3.2 FSI

    Apr 04, 2008 2:13 PM

    Agreed. The 1.8TFSi VW/AUDI engine is a great example.
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    Re: Audi A4 Avant 3.2 FSI

    Apr 04, 2008 7:05 PM

    re. 1.8 TFSI engine, see below where Audi A4 1.8 TFSI thrashes BMW 318i and Mercedes C180K in comparison test foremost due to the superior engine - unfortunately in German, but plenty of pics.

    http://www.autobild.de/artikel/premium-vergleich-teil-2_652275.html

  • Re: Audi A4 Avant 3.2 FSI

    Apr 04, 2008 11:40 PM

     This is the kind of car that's mainly used for dull, everyday type driving. Probably lots of motorway cruising, there's always more photocopiers to be sold ;) So a diesel makes the most sense, for most people.

    "Rockets are just another name for trouble. Either you just had trouble, you are having trouble, or you are going to have trouble." - Milt Rosen, Viking Program Director, White Sands Missile Test Range
  • Re: Audi A4 Avant 3.2 FSI

    Apr 09, 2008 12:54 PM

    In my experience having had company cars for as long as I can remember, all the companies I have held jobs with would not entertain petrol powered cars. This is also the same for most of my friends, who's companies will not allow petrol cars as options.

    As Niall points out these cars spend most of there time on motorways, where fuel economy is still the controlling factor.

    Thats not to say modern petrol engines are going some way to addressing this area.

    Caeser ruled with an iron hand, then with a wooden foot and finally with a piece of string.
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