Gordon Murray documentary

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Did anyone watch this last night? I found it really interesting, the T25 certainly seems like a very interesting car.

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Smile I did, Owen, and enjoyed every minute, though much presented I knew. Those who know little of his i-Stream ideas, or are critical, would benefit from understanding how he is knitting all his experiences designing great F1 racing cars to benefit radical new city cars and road going sports cars. Seeing in detail how he has built each component of the T25 was truly fascinating. And I admired the concise way he stated his ideas worked, others tried to emulate and couldn't, or blocked so that he did not have an edge over their conventiality.

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I missed the first part - forgot to set the reminder. Hope it will be repeated sometime. I have great respect for him, his CV is solid gold, but I'm still not convinced by the T25. Next to a Smart it looked very clever, but I have never rated the Smart as anything more than a blind alley.

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Uncle Mellow wrote:

the T25. Next to a Smart it looked very clever, but I have never rated the Smart as anything more than a blind alley.

The vulnerability of the Smart, and all other small cars that are barely profitable, is demonstrated in Murray's admirably open, candid illustration of his T25 method of construction in comparison to a Smart's relatively conventional construction and consequent costs.

He shows i-Stream configeration of parts, bonded together, cuts costs dramatically per unit.

As he says, since Henry Ford car makers have essentially built cars the same way, fine for saloons, great for SUV profits, terrible for small cars to make a profit; i-Stream revolutionises that process.

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Thoroughly enjoyed it, and for those who missed it, it's still available on BBC iPlayer. Wink

Had forgotten that he had a hand in designing the Rocket, and he'd get a thumbs-up from me anyway for the F1 alone, which is still my favorite supercar.

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Thanks for the reminder! I watched this last night on the iPlayer with a sore leg having kicked myself for forgetting to record it.  loath ought it was great but concentrated,peer heaps rightly, on the huge successes he has had but nothing was said about the failed surface cooling system he tried. Still, I would buy a T25 in a heartbeat and a Rocket and F1 would be in my 10 car garage. I hope it gets into production soon. however, I do think Gordon needs to go back to the drawing board for a redesign of his moustache.

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Mario B wrote:

I watched this last night on the iPlayer with a sore leg having kicked myself for forgetting to record it.  loath ought it was great but concentrated, peer heaps rightly, on the huge successes he has had but nothing was said about the failed surface cooling system he tried.

Hi Mario - am pleased you too liked the programme.

On the cooling system - no one puts their failures in their curriculum vitae. The programme was a benign distillation of his achievements in F1 and how it has enriched and guided his thinking on conventional cars.

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I do think Gordon needs to go back to the drawing board for a redesign of his moustache.

That made me laugh; the droopy edges suit his rather lugubrious delivery - but I preferred his walrus era.

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Heh, after Ken Clark's jacket on the podium on Sunday, Gordon's jacket was haute couture.

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Mario B wrote:

Thanks for the reminder! I watched this last night on the iPlayer with a sore leg having kicked myself for forgetting to record it.  loath ought it was great but concentrated,peer heaps rightly, on the huge successes he has had but nothing was said about the failed surface cooling system he tried. Still, I would buy a T25 in a heartbeat and a Rocket and F1 would be in my 10 car garage. I hope it gets into production soon. however, I do think Gordon needs to go back to the drawing board for a redesign of his moustache.

Look, sorry about this gibberish but when I pressed the button it looked ok to me!

 

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Mario B wrote:

Heh, after Ken Clark's jacket on the podium on Sunday, Gordon's jacket was haute couture.

Good one! Smile

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I really enjoyed the programme, and didn't know about his involvement with the Atom but all it made me want was an F1 - awesome car!

T25, Smart (or Dumb!), etc. just look too vulnerable to me, especially on motorways; maybe they are OK used purely as city cars but most people (me included) have to have only one car to do everything, and these sort of vehicles just do not fit that role. 

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