I went away from the car being impressed by the tech but disinterested by the car. There was no great leap forward in packaging or usage of space, it's certainly not lighter or more efficient in its use of materials and the interior looked & felt very plasticky and gimmicky.
Sorry, Stu, had to take a detour to avoid a dog turd.
I didn't want you to assume I disagreed with everything you say. I'm not sure what you were expecting but my immediate thought is, you've summed up 90 percent of ICE cars.
My annoyance with EVs rests with makers' hype, in particularly those yet to produce the car making extravagant claims before it's tested! "We have a great EV on the drawing board. It will go this fast, and last this long," et cetera.) Even there I allow leaway for what is an historically resurgent industry still in infancy. EVs will get better and better as scientists improve the way power can be stored. I also think ICEs still have lots more improvements to show us in efficiency. What I am sure of is, there is crying need for alternative modes of automotive propulsion.
Wait anouther 7- 10 years and we will be wondering why we ever used petrol/diesel.
Fascinating documentary on the achievements and innovation of Gordon Murray - his most repeated phrase in respect of modern mass produced cars is "too much weight." He also pointed out the great cost they incur making a car, hence why they can't afford to make small cars or any profit out of them, same start up and infrastructure costs. His iStream method of car construction certainly looks revolutionary. That, added to the discovery of more oil that we ever thought existed, will extend the life of ICEs so long as they get more efficient. And they will.
The rest of your remarks against EVs, Stu, read as scaremongering. You seem to be claiming the simplicity of battery drive won't result in simple servicing and lower than normal costs set against the monopoly of petrol. You've picked up Maxycat's baton. And you can't be saying, selling normally aspirated cars is a paragon of honest virtue? I'm sure there is exaggeration on all sides ... electric cars are here to stay until something cleaner and better comes along.
Not scaremongering at all. A car's engine is one component, albeit significant, of a servicing regime. All the other stuff I mentioned will still need servicing and thus EV owners will still need to pay for this to happen. The net servicing cost will still be significant although maybe not as quite expensive as for an ICE vehicle.
Talking about the 'monopoly of petrol' and implying that I'm carrying toches for other people's arguments is much more like scaremongering than anything I ever said...
All the other stuff I mentioned will still need servicing and thus EV owners will still need to pay for this to happen. The net servicing cost will still be significant although maybe not as quite expensive as for an ICE vehicle.
Thank you.
(Sound of feet running into distance before Stu can add, "It wasn't agreement...!")
I concede, it is hard not be drawn down to your level at times, Gareth. I must try harder. Keep watching where you go - hope one of your footsteps goes silent.
I concede, it is hard not be drawn down to your level at times, Gareth. I must try harder. Keep watching where you go - hope one of your footsteps goes silent.
I concede, it is hard not be drawn down to your level at times, Gareth. I must try harder. Keep watching where you go - hope one of your footsteps goes silent.
17 July 2009
I went away from the car being impressed by the tech but disinterested by the car. There was no great leap forward in packaging or usage of space, it's certainly not lighter or more efficient in its use of materials and the interior looked & felt very plasticky and gimmicky.
Sorry, Stu, had to take a detour to avoid a dog turd.
I didn't want you to assume I disagreed with everything you say. I'm not sure what you were expecting but my immediate thought is, you've summed up 90 percent of ICE cars.
My annoyance with EVs rests with makers' hype, in particularly those yet to produce the car making extravagant claims before it's tested! "We have a great EV on the drawing board. It will go this fast, and last this long," et cetera.) Even there I allow leaway for what is an historically resurgent industry still in infancy. EVs will get better and better as scientists improve the way power can be stored. I also think ICEs still have lots more improvements to show us in efficiency. What I am sure of is, there is crying need for alternative modes of automotive propulsion.
9 March 2012
Wait anouther 7- 10 years and we will be wondering why we ever used petrol/deisel
Founder and owner of driverscar.co.uk
17 July 2009
Wait anouther 7- 10 years and we will be wondering why we ever used petrol/diesel.
Fascinating documentary on the achievements and innovation of Gordon Murray - his most repeated phrase in respect of modern mass produced cars is "too much weight." He also pointed out the great cost they incur making a car, hence why they can't afford to make small cars or any profit out of them, same start up and infrastructure costs. His iStream method of car construction certainly looks revolutionary. That, added to the discovery of more oil that we ever thought existed, will extend the life of ICEs so long as they get more efficient. And they will.
28 January 2009
The rest of your remarks against EVs, Stu, read as scaremongering. You seem to be claiming the simplicity of battery drive won't result in simple servicing and lower than normal costs set against the monopoly of petrol. You've picked up Maxycat's baton. And you can't be saying, selling normally aspirated cars is a paragon of honest virtue? I'm sure there is exaggeration on all sides ... electric cars are here to stay until something cleaner and better comes along.
Not scaremongering at all. A car's engine is one component, albeit significant, of a servicing regime. All the other stuff I mentioned will still need servicing and thus EV owners will still need to pay for this to happen. The net servicing cost will still be significant although maybe not as quite expensive as for an ICE vehicle.
Talking about the 'monopoly of petrol' and implying that I'm carrying toches for other people's arguments is much more like scaremongering than anything I ever said...
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17 July 2009
All the other stuff I mentioned will still need servicing and thus EV owners will still need to pay for this to happen. The net servicing cost will still be significant although maybe not as quite expensive as for an ICE vehicle.
Thank you.
(Sound of feet running into distance before Stu can add, "It wasn't agreement...!")
15 June 2012
Sorry, Stu, had to take a detour to avoid a dog turd
I understand there is a lot of it in Scotland. Best place for it.
17 July 2009
I understand there is a lot of it...
You understand nothing, which is why you are unable to control your baser impulses.
15 June 2012
I concede, it is hard not be drawn down to your level at times, Gareth. I must try harder. Keep watching where you go - hope one of your footsteps goes silent.
15 June 2012
I concede, it is hard not be drawn down to your level at times, Gareth. I must try harder. Keep watching where you go - hope one of your footsteps goes silent.
15 June 2012
I concede, it is hard not be drawn down to your level at times, Gareth. I must try harder. Keep watching where you go - hope one of your footsteps goes silent.