Toyota GT86 - One in the eye for the nay-sayers.....

From what I've read of the nay-sayers (amongst the press I mean) they were largely unimpressed with the low-down torque, which Autocar themselves mention in the summary. None quibled with the handing. So I'm not sure for all Autocar's attention-grabbing headline on the cover are really telling much of a different story. And for me their summary completely undemines itself by first mentioning how weedy the tyres look and then the dreaded 'percieved quality' phrase.

I got to drive one a week ago and didn't have a problem with a lack of torque, although it was up the Goodwood driveway!

At the end of the day you just have to remember it is a normally-aspirated petrol engine with a high specific output and drive accordingly - if you want monster torque buy a V8 or a turbo-diesel (and I say that as a 123d owner)!

I also didn't find grip a problem on the 215 section tyres - anyone who feels they are too narrow is probably focussing on looks rather than driving. In fact if it only weighs 1235kg you don't really want it to come with huge tyres - in our climate it is probably just going to aquaplane!

The "nay" sayers ......no doubt the northern brethren of the southern 'Knights who like to say "Ni" '

Who ride on horseback....

Oh, btw do you have room for a Shrubbery in your Touring?

I see the modern obsession with brand worship has moved now to purism worship. Owning this car will make me better, is that it?

I've said it before and I'll say it again, cars are what you make them. If a big 'n comfy barge is what floats your goat, then a big 'n comfy barge is what you will most enjoy. The Slowbaru (did you see what I did there) naysayers are fed up of listening to track legends aka forum bores tell us how our choices are 'wrong' and the GT86 is 'right'.

The idea that Toyota and Subaru have created this AMAZING MACHINE like no other car ever made is comedy piffle of the highest order. It's just another desperately uninteresting Japanese appliance with iffy plastics, drab appearance, noisy/thirsty/weedy powerplant, too-high price tag and dead cert depreciation, all propelled along by the might of a genuinely incredible marketing budget and a motoring press desperate to have something else to talk about other than CO2 figures and spy-cum-publicity shots of the next convertible estate crossover J-Class.

http://www.whatcar.com/car-reviews/toyota/gt-86-coupe/summary/26094-4/

It IS amazing to drive though. I had a go at Millbrook and can report, honestly, that the car is top drawer. Interior plastics and percieved quality don't matter to me. Also - it really is fast enough for me these days. Even the RenaultSport Megane is getting on for too fast for the public road now.

The real problem for the Toyobaru is the MX-5. If you don't need rear seats, the drop top on the little Mazda has to give it the nod. And that's just the current version...

Ha ha Yeah ok whatever you say.....Ooh, yes it will make you infinately better - you will become super human with magic powers and all women will want you and all men want to be you.....my God man get with the hype - it's real man, real!.....sigh....Isn't What Car found in the same place as Good Houskeeping or What Fridge?

Whats you beef thwarts? You have kind of contradicted yourself there old chap. Way to go to back up your argument that the media are desperate to back something different with a 3* review from What Car? I'm convinced.

 Cars are what you make them, so it's not for you. So what? No one is making you buy one. Do you want the world to be full of Luxo barges that ride well up and down the motorway with nothing else? Neither do I want the world full of GT86 thanks.

Not sure where you got this comdey piffle you've drivelled re "greatest machine not like any other made" etc - Not read that anywhere, nor if your choice is wrong or right, it's a simple front engined rear driver at a reasonable weight, something not produced for a while that's all and as the review states the performance is not the be all and end all of the car - it's heaviest criticism before anyone on here drove it and it being classified by some here as a dead loss because of it - hence one in the eye for the naysayers. The performance really dosen't matter that much at all.

I can at least consol myself in the knowledge now that this time you have a more relevant avatar, whilst not quite your character it is getting close:

“Mr Rude is rude.

He is very rude.

He is very, very rude.

He is worse than very, very rude.

He is extraordinarily rude.”

The classic Mr Men book by Roger Hargreaves continues with an apt description of the character: “Mr Rude was a horrible man who didn’t have a nice thing to say to anyone and, not surprisingly, no one liked him.”

are you drunk?

You seem to have corroborated my theory that fans of the GT86 spend more time expressing disdain for the people who don't like it than talking about the actual car.

The link to What Car? was to show that once you get away from the so called enthusiast market (Evo, Autocar, what have you), the verdict is that it's pretty average.

I was going to ask for a test drive but the looks and the interior, seen in the flesh, have left me really cold. The car is cheap in absolute terms but it looks cheap too.  There is perhaps a little too enthsiasm around the BRZ-GT86 even if it is probably a very good drive. But for me it is not enough to consider buying it.

It looks like WhatCar? missed the point of the GT86 completely.