When is the right time?

Had the first snow fall of the winter season at home this morning and on the run in to work on un-gritted roads I pondered, now would be a great time for winter tyres.

I'm in the camp of thinking that drivers in the UK and certainly the South (most years) don't really need the extra expense of winter tyres but there has been some debate on here over the past couple of years.

The question is, if legislation changed and we were made to use winter tyres, when would be the right time to fit them to the car?

For instance, not so long ago (14th November), I was on a track day at Brands Hatch in the warm sun shine, cooking my "summer" road tyres in the process.  The wrong time then (on normal roads) to want to think about running winter rubber.  Now a matter of weeks later, we are driving in snow.

So when do you change?  How do you legislate in this country when you should and shouldn't change tyres?

It's all very well saying when the temperature drops below a certain level but where in the country would that be and how long for?  If we had a cold snap, can you imagine the rush at the tyre shops and the back log?

What's your thoughts?

I can only see problems with

1 year 32 weeks ago

I can only see problems with an attempt at legislation.  What are you supposed to do with the out of season wheels/tyres if you live in a flat?  Having AWD doesn't stop people having accidents through over-confidence; if you mandate winter tyres you'll have the same accidents but at higher speeds.  Given the narrow, cluttered state of UK roads, someone else's accident can easily stop you getting to your destination no matter how careful you are.  Your weather is too unpredictable, which makes it hard for councils to balance being ready to plough with the expense of infrequently used equipment.  The same applies to the private individual.

It would be much better to mandate caution and common sense - FAT CHANCE!

I believe countries that have

1 year 32 weeks ago

I believe countries that have legislation requiring motorists to have winter tyres fitted when it is icy or snowy do not specify a date nor prosecute you as long as you do not have an accident or get stuck causing traffic jams.

During my working life commuting by car up to 100 miles per day at various jobs I never had winter tyres, I never knew of their existance apart from studded tyres suitable for the far north.

Now being retired for 6 years as I do not need to use the car when icy/snowy so I do not have winter tyres. As my daughter uses her car for commuting to work, 25 miles per day, in hilly Mid Wales, I purchased a set of steel wheels fitted with Continental winter tyres for her and fit them every November and remove them in April or so depending on the weather.

I paid about £630 for the set of tyres on wheels for a 2009 Honda Civic EX diesel from mytyres. Although you have to pay upfront the purchase price they last for several years, probably the life of ownership of the car, but you save wear on the summer tyres also the corrosion of the alloy wheels with all the salt on the road.

I believe winter tyres are well worth investing in for the average motorist even if it does not snow their cold weather braking performance is so superior. One further point do not buy "mud and snow" tyres for road only use unless they are marked specifically for winter use. Some mud and snow tyures just have a heavy tread which is useless on smooth snow and ice. Proper winter tyres have many small grooves called sipes and are made of a silica rich compound of rubber for the low temperatures.

maxecat

TegTypeR@ Why not have an all

1 year 32 weeks ago

TegTypeR@

Why not have an all year round tyre?,why have Summer and Winter tyres?,as you say it's extra expense (over a grand if i did!)

Peter Cavellini.

Banana and Branston?!

1 year 32 weeks ago

Banana and Branston?! Demonstration of a free world, right there!

Anyway, a date for winters varies every year. I've just put ours on the missus' car because last week we had a snap of -10. This week it's back up to +10. Winter tyres are not as delicate as you think. Granted, you don't want to be using them on track days but as long as you're not leaning on them too much, they'll cope just fine with +10.

I still wouldn't buy them for the UK but here they've said my harris several times. When we get the first snowfall, we always drive past people stranded by the side of the road on their 'all seasons'.

TegTypeR wrote: How do you

1 year 32 weeks ago

TegTypeR wrote:

How do you legislate in this country when you should and shouldn't change tyres? 

To have a law that consistently applied accross the UK is next to impossible.  Maybe it could be done regionally, but a better use of legislation is maybe to insist upon the retention and use of chains or socks, as necessary, in places where periods of snow, and laying snow and ice, are likely year after year, for significant periods of time.

When I set out this morning it was -2°C, a bit damp, but not slipperry.  By the time I got to Brentwood it was snowing, heavily, the temp was 3°C, but visibility was the issue rather than the road conditions, as the volume of traffic was such that the road surface was clear (but wet) despite the snow settling at the verges.  By the time I got into central London, there was no visible sign of any snow having fallen, and the temp was 5°C.  

Next week, forecast maximum daytime temperatures, for London, are 10 - 13, with pretty settled weather...though the efficacy of the Met Office can be questionable.

If you ignore temperature ranges then the only other method would be a period of time, say clocks go back to clocks go forward, or 01/11-28/2 - but even that, I imagine, wouldn't necessarily work for our northern and Scottish friends.  And would probably be routinely ignored and give the police another headache to deal with.

I suspect, if it ever becomes necessary, it will be the insurance industry that brings about any change, rather than legislation.

 

 

TegTypeR wrote:

What's your thoughts?

I could kill a banana sandwich right now.

If I knew what I was getting into, I wouldn't have done it...and I would have been wrong.

The Colonel

1 year 32 weeks ago

The Colonel wrote:

TegTypeR wrote:

What's your thoughts?

I could kill a banana sandwich right now.

I have a colleague at work that eats Banana and Branston sandwiches.  They swear blind it works - I'm not convinced and not brave enought to try one!

 

 

It's all about the twisties........

TegTypeR wrote: The

1 year 32 weeks ago

TegTypeR wrote:

The Colonel wrote:

TegTypeR wrote:

What's your thoughts?

I could kill a banana sandwich right now.

I have a colleague at work that eats Banana and Branston sandwiches.  They swear blind it works - I'm not convinced and not brave enought to try one!

I can see that working, but I'm not going to do it myself...if it doesn't work, for me, it's just a waste of a perfectly good banana.

If I knew what I was getting into, I wouldn't have done it...and I would have been wrong.

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