merge in turn road rage

Suspect this has already been discussed and laid to rest by the denizens of the forum, but has anyone ever been mob road raged whilst trying to merge in turn at a temporary lane closure on a dual carriage way? I got stuck in the right hand lane on the A24 near Horsham on the way home tonight, approaching some road works and thought I'd just have to plod slowly along in the right hand lane to the end and merge. There was a long queue of traffic in the left hand lane, nose to tail. It seems that they didn't want to let anyone in, but neither did they want anyone to pass them. I probably shouldn't have gone past the 2 cars that had taken it upon themselves to drive in the middle of the road. But I'm driving a Smart Fortwo and there was plenty of room, and I'm only doing 20-25 mph and surely are you meant to merge in turn? When I got to the closure, I'm not kidding, 3 van's, a motorhome and a car had a damn good job at ramming me before I was able to merge. Am I missing something? There wasn't a "merge in turn" sign on the temporary lane closed markings, but my understanding is you are meant to merge in turn if the traffic is moving slowly. Highway code seems to back that up, if I'm interpreting it correctly.

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3 years 45 weeks ago

I think a bit of give and take is needed in Merge situations.

But that said, I wouldnt let a Smart car in either!

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3 years 45 weeks ago

Luckily I got the motorhome exiting the next roundabout, as he couldn't live with the savage acceleration of the Fortwo. I don't think he was very happy.

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3 years 45 weeks ago

This one has already been kicked to death in a recent thread.

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3 years 45 weeks ago

Oh well. Won't worry about it then.

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3 years 45 weeks ago

I love those occasions when I see someone behind me in L1 refusing to let someone in L2 merge.

I wave the car in L2 past and let them in front of me. It really winds the car in L1 behind me every time.

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3 years 45 weeks ago

If you are in the closed off lane trying to merge it pays to be driving an older car and to merge in front of a new car as they will not want their shiny paintwork dented. Better still be on a motorcycle and have no problem with merging or waiting in queues.

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3 years 45 weeks ago

Mostly I was just shocked at coming across such a long queue of obviously very angry people. Show's how easily human beings form angry mobs if you ask me.

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3 years 45 weeks ago

I can see what you're saying but just to play devil's advocate... there is nothing worse than seeing some apparently impatient git decide to stick in the closed-off lane right until the end to effectively queue-jump. In those situations, I don't see why they think they have the right to jump in right at the end instead of waiting like those who actually bothered to merge in earlier (sensibly) following the signs.

If we're being 100% fair about it, they should be blocked from merging until the car which was previously in front of them passes. Then they could be allowed to merge.

Were you one of these impatient ones? From how you tell it, it doesn't sound like it. But I just thought I'd come at it from the other side because some people may have interpreted it this way and it therefore could go some way to explaining the anger you seem to have encountered.

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3 years 45 weeks ago

Splashtech, I don't think the rules of the road are about fair queuing (should we not overtake slower vehicles? Not that I do much of that in a Smart). It's not as if there is something waiting at the end of the queue that the queue jumper is going to get that they aren't entitled to (apart from perhaps arriving at their journey's end a couple of minutes earlier, big deal). Do people get really angry when someone on a motorbike slides down the outside of the queue? Maybe they do. I wasn't impatient, I just got stuck in that lane, and I didn't race down the outside lane at 60-70 mph (I could have done because it was empty apart form the berks driving in the middle of the road at one point). I was going slowly and if there had been a gap I would have gone into it. But no gaps, and really what is the point in me just stopping in the right hand lane 800yards from the lane closure and waiting for a gap to appear so I don't accidentally get in front of someone? I also think that the highway code says you should merge in turn, e.g. use both lanes and merger zipper style close to the closure. Quite often there is a sign up saying "Merge in turn". I think this works best.

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3 years 45 weeks ago

scruffygav wrote:
Splashtech, I don't think the rules of the road are about fair queuing (should we not overtake slower vehicles? Not that I do much of that in a Smart). It's not as if there is something waiting at the end of the queue that the queue jumper is going to get that they aren't entitled to (apart from perhaps arriving at their journey's end a couple of minutes earlier, big deal). Do people get really angry when someone on a motorbike slides down the outside of the queue? Maybe they do.

Agreed, but yes, people do get annoyed about it. Perhaps not your motorbike example, but certainly (and I've seen this), if a lane on a motorway for example is closed due to an accident, there are signs for quite some time indicating the closure of the lane. As a result, most people move over into the active lanes, which are obviously slow. What can happen is that someone (often in a large beemer or merc) will shoot down the now-empty closed lane right up to the sign and then try and force their way in. They will, as you say, only gain a few minutes but it does annoy people.

scruffygav wrote:
I wasn't impatient, I just got stuck in that lane, and I didn't race down the outside lane at 60-70 mph (I could have done because it was empty apart form the berks driving in the middle of the road at one point). I was going slowly and if there had been a gap I would have gone into it. But no gaps, and really what is the point in me just stopping in the right hand lane 800yards from the lane closure and waiting for a gap to appear so I don't accidentally get in front of someone?

In your case, it does sound like you were driving in a perfectly responsible and acceptable way and people acted somewhat irrationally. If you were moving slowly enough and indicating your intention to move over, I'd have let you in no fuss. I think perhaps people generalise and act in rather irrational ways when faced with an unexpected and undesirable queue.

As I said before, I was just acting as the devil's advocate in order to attempt to explain why this behaviour occurs. My intention was not to defend poor driving at all.

scruffygav wrote:
I also think that the highway code says you should merge in turn, e.g. use both lanes and merger zipper style close to the closure. Quite often there is a sign up saying "Merge in turn". I think this works best.

Agreed. The problem, as you seem to have noted, is that not everyone co-operates. Then it falls apart.

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3 years 45 weeks ago

Agree Splashtech, it is annoying when people race to the front to steal an ever dimishing gap. 61bhp limits my options for that :-) You'd think I'd just overtaken the Ferrari owners club, in a 911 GT3 RS, with the Autocar handling issue pinned to the back window.

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3 years 45 weeks ago

A while ago I was driving through north London. A dangerous and weird experience. I was somewhere around Finchley, heading north, and hoping to pick up the A406 at some point.

That point came up much sooner than I expected, and I found myself up alongside a queue turning right, onto the A406 as it turned out. Now I know, I should have just proceeded forward, and found an oppotunity to turn around and then join the A406 from the other side. But, I was alongside a car the driver of which I thought would be delighted to let me in. So I indicated my intention to turn in, and hopefully join the queue, taking advantage of the driver's undoubted good nature.

Instead, I got a barrage of abuse. Much showing of teeth, and a wãnker gesture thrown in for good measure. I wound down my window to find out what he was so angry about. I was told, with lots of cursing thrown in, that he was fed up with people queue jumping and trying to barge their way in. I explained that I am not local, and was caught out that the junction had come up sooner than expected, and having realised my mistake was hoping he would give me some leeway. I was told that I "should have fùcking known", to "fùck off", and that I am "not that fùcking important" just because I "drive a flash fùcking motor"

Now I know your thinking, well, he may not be elegant with the words, but he's right. Perhaps, but lets wind back twenty minutes or so. I had let this guy out of a car park. I patiently waited while, further up the road, he had to stop, get out of his car to retrieve his mobile phone from the boot, mouthing apologies as he did so, I just cheerily waved him on, and followed him as he conducted a conversation on his phone.

Fortunately, the driver behind him in the queue, had been behind me all the way too, seen what had happened and graciously let me in.

The guy in first car? Serving police officer. Psychos on the road come from all walks of life.

If I knew what I was getting into, I wouldn't have done it...and I would have been wrong.

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3 years 45 weeks ago

How did you find out he was a copper? My rule is, if you're indicating and not actively trying to cut me up, I'll let you in cheerfully any time.

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3 years 45 weeks ago

scruffygav wrote:
How did you find out he was a copper?

The car park I let him out of was to Finchley (I think) police station, and he was wearing the obligatory white shirt, black trousers, black shoes, oh and part of his rant informed me of his occupation, as if that was to make me scared.

If I knew what I was getting into, I wouldn't have done it...and I would have been wrong.

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