Has anyone been done by an average speed camera?

My Dad asked me this today and I couldn't think of anyone I know who had been done by an average speed camera, yet plenty have been done by fixed or mobile cameras. This puzzled both of us because you often see someone flying through roadworks on the motorway way above 50mph - do they know something we don't? So a simple question; have you or anyone you know ever been caught speeding by an average speed camera?

Anonymous

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2 years 27 weeks ago

No, I don't know of anyone who has been caught by average speed cameras. The nearest set of cameras to me is along the roadworks on the M90 around the Forth Road Bridge. Despite knowing that none of them are connected (We may know someone who plays a large role in the project ;) ), we still travel the correct speed just in case - you never know where the police are spying on you!

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2 years 27 weeks ago

Yes I do! My brother emailed to tell me he had received a fine for an infringement on Good Friday from Ciampino Airport to the Valdichiana exit on the A1 for 156 km/h (roughly 100mph) so if that's the average I am not sure how fast he pushed the C Class along! Now interestingly I also regularly do this route and I NEVER do the speed limit so I wonder if it's has something to do with a holiday or something. As to Britain - no I have never been done so I wonder if it is at the whim of somebody as to whether they are switched on or not. If we drive Naples to Florence for instance we just belt along at whatever speed we want but stop for lunch where you don't need to exit at a toll booth hence increasing our travel time and lowering our average speed.

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2 years 27 weeks ago

Will86 wrote:
have you or anyone you know ever been caught speeding by an average speed camera

I havent, nor do i know anyone who has. I do wonder what the trigger speed is. I also wonder how they work. Is it just the speed between pairs of them, or are they connected in series? Is it still true they cant do you if you have changed lanes?

Wagon drivers appear happy to continue at 56mph too, so i am sure they know something we dont!

Perhaps Rich UK can tell us

Anonymous

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2 years 27 weeks ago

No, I don't know of anyone who has been caught by average speed cameras. The nearest set of cameras to me is along the roadworks on the M90 around the Forth Road Bridge. Despite knowing that none of them are connected (We may know someone who plays a large role in the project ;) ), we still travel the correct speed just in case - you never know where the police are spying on you!

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2 years 27 weeks ago

Liammm wrote:
No, I don't know of anyone who has been caught by average speed cameras. The nearest set of cameras to me is along the roadworks on the M90 around the Forth Road Bridge. Despite knowing that none of them are connected (We may know someone who plays a large role in the project ;) ), we still travel the correct speed just in case - you never know where the police are spying on you!
If just putting up dummy ones has the desired effect,then,yes you'll catch more when they are active,but, i've always said that,if you want people to slow down then all measures to do so should be highly visible, in your line of sight not 50 yds either side,speed cameras should be dayglo pink, green etc and all other forms of detection made obvious,Police cars should be brightly colored too,if you want drivers to slow down then this is the way, instead of removing £60 (soon to be £100)from your pocket and giving you 3 points, but then, it's not a money making excercise is it?

Peter Cavellini.

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2 years 27 weeks ago

When a set that we're up near me on the m6 I noticed that on weekends there would be a camera van on a bridge over the same section. Made me wonder if the average cameras actually did anything.

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2 years 27 weeks ago

On many occasions, I've thought that a speed camera had caught me out, but it never has.

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2 years 27 weeks ago

Peter Cavellini wrote:
i've always said that,if you want people to slow down then all measures to do so should be highly visible, in your line of sight not 50 yds either side,speed cameras should be dayglo pink, green etc and all other forms of detection made obvious,Police cars should be brightly colored too,if you want drivers to slow down then this is the way
Nope. Exactly the opposite. If you want people to slow down you: Remove all the day-glow colours, quadruple the number of cameras, hide them so they're impossible to spot, move them at random intervals, make it an offence to reveal where they are (in print, on the internet etc), remove all warning sinage and treble the fines with removal of car on non payment. Do that and people would drive to the speed limit at all times. As soon as you make them visible we all just slow down for the camera and then speed up again as soon as the threat has passed.

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2 years 27 weeks ago

My mother recieved a notice through when her car was observed doing 58mph in the 50mph between Jcts 29 and 30 on the M25. My sister was actually and managed to get it waived due to special circumstances, but certainly those cameras work (or, at least, are operational).

If I knew what I was getting into, I wouldn't have done it...and I would have been wrong.

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2 years 27 weeks ago

Liammm wrote:
No, I don't know of anyone who has been caught by average speed cameras. The nearest set of cameras to me is along the roadworks on the M90 around the Forth Road Bridge. Despite knowing that none of them are connected (We may know someone who plays a large role in the project ;) ), we still travel the correct speed just in case - you never know where the police are spying on you

I know of these well and the ones over the bridge towards the M8, thats a very interesting comment. I think i will stick to the soul destroying speed limit though just incase.

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2 years 27 weeks ago

I suspect if they are working, in a 50mph zone then they are set for at least 57mph real speed (not what your speedo says) I find my Sat nav is spot on so use it when judging a safe speed for cameras.

Assuming most people will sit with the speedo on 50mph and are therefore actually only doing 47mph whilst someone who's speedo is showing nearer 60mph is doing 57mph then they will look like they are flying through relatively.

And its an average so a while at 58mph and then a spell at 55mph should be safe. (within a stretch between 2 cameras)

Personally, and only if there is clearly no work actually going on (no workers on site) I go at 55mph on my Sat Nav and go past most traffic.

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2 years 27 weeks ago

One of the guys at work got done twice in one week in February by the same average speed cameras. It was on the A38 near Bassets Pole (Solihull-ish, near the M42 junction). The speed limit is 60, and he got done at 70 and 74. Got away with a speed awareness course for the first and 3 points and 60 quid for the second.

LG

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2 years 27 weeks ago

artill wrote:
Is it just the speed between pairs of them, or are they connected in series? Is it still true they cant do you if you have changed lanes?

This has not been the case for about 5 or 6 years now. The newer cameras work in random pairs (i.e. it could be the first and fourth set that are connected) and they are no longer lane dependent.

The ones on the M25 between J21 and 23 certainly work, a work colleague received a fine for travelling 65mph in them a few weeks back and it told him on the letter which cameras and what lane(s) he was caught on. I think his one was something like "between outside lane on Camera x and middle lane on Camera y at an average speed of 65mph."

I think the general consensus is to travel up to 55mph and you'll be OK

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2 years 27 weeks ago

I know the A77 ones between Girvan and Monkton are active - have a friend who got done on the 50 mph section on the dual carriageway. However, I am told they are not linked (because there are towns in between different pairs). There are a lot of trucks that go up and down this section of road because of the ferry port and - it is a 40mph limit for trucks - but they seem to know which ones are active, because they will often sit at 56mph and then slow to 40mph for some sections. E ither way, they seem to have had an affect. I am dubious about ave speed camera's - but having known 2 people killed in separate accidents on this road when growing up in Stranraer, I think they have been good for reducing speed and dangerous overtaking. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2008/10/31/a77-speed-camera-scheme-halves-death-toll-86908-20856254/

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2 years 27 weeks ago

I have!......Junc 19 M1, catthorpe interchange roadworks October 2010, 54mph in a 50 zone. 3 points, £60 fine. They have just taken them down but speaking from experience i know they work!

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2 years 27 weeks ago

baggins wrote:
54mph in a 50 zone. 3 points, £60 fine.

That's within 10% of the speed limit! I'm surprised you got a fine for that!

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2 years 27 weeks ago

I've heard it mentioned that the idea of 10% + 2mph "rule" is less frequently being observed, since, if someone's real speed was, say, 57mph, they most likely thought they were travelling at 60mph, as that is what the dial in fromt of them was probably indicating, therefore the offence is "worse", in that regard.

Probably best to stick what the sign says, then you can be sure of not having any problems.

If I knew what I was getting into, I wouldn't have done it...and I would have been wrong.

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2 years 27 weeks ago

baggins wrote:

I have!......Junc 19 M1, catthorpe interchange roadworks October 2010, 54mph in a 50 zone. 3 points, £60 fine. They have just taken them down but speaking from experience i know they work!

I find that very hard to believe as both Leics and Northants work within ACPO guidelines which is over 10%. Leics was 10% + 3 I think. I would certainly have challenged it. Maybe it was a misprint and you were actually going 64mph.

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2 years 27 weeks ago

Lesia44 wrote:
Do that and people would drive to the speed limit at all times.
Nope! That won't work either. It might work for you and many others, even the majority but if a couple of million people are stupid enough to be caught by bright yellow static speed cameras each year then I have no qualms in predicting the same stupid people will continue to speed if you make speed detection covert. You would have to remove the drivers ability to choose their speed to cut out speeding altogether.

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2 years 27 weeks ago

Rich_uk wrote:
Nope! That won't work either. It might work for you and many others, even the majority but if a couple of million people are stupid enough to be caught by bright yellow static speed cameras each year then I have no qualms in predicting the same stupid people will continue to speed if you make speed detection covert. You would have to remove the drivers ability to choose their speed to cut out speeding altogether.
Don't think that's true. The reason people get caught at the moment (for the most part, at least) is that they didn't see the camera, not that they knew it was there but decided to go faster anyway. I sure that almost everyone slows if they see the camera. So if people are forced to assume that every inch of road in the country is, potentially, camera'd then they would act at all times as they do now when they see a camera. There will always be exceptions, of course. But for those too stupid to live, remove their cars and on repeat offence their liberty.

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2 years 27 weeks ago

I have. Once a couple of years ago. And the other one... well. Just received the notice today!! M1, roadworks section between jct 11 and 12... 2am... Midweek... Hardly anyone on the road and certainly no workers in the roadworks. Got caught doing 61mph average instead of 50. I used to think they didn't work...

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2 years 27 weeks ago

You could, of course, park up for five minutes and then go as fast as you like! :-)

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2 years 27 weeks ago

I was flashed by a camera a couple of years ago. I was in a strange area (up north) at night with completely empty roads. It was in that strange no-mans land between towns which is populated. The last speed repeater sign I had seen was 40mph, therefore my speed was deliberate. I was flashed for doing 38 in a 30. I had not seen a 30mph sign! If you are going to have a camera set to flash at a given speed it should have on the column below it, the speed sign it is set for. As it was 200 miles from home, I wasn't about to investigate whether the signeage was correct.

I got a speed awareness course. I questioned the principle of poor signeage with the instructors and to say they were unhelpful was an understatement.

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2 years 27 weeks ago

Lesia44 wrote:
The reason people get caught at the moment (for the most part, at least) is that they didn't see the camera
That's almost what happened to me, going to Bognor Regis. The last speed sign I remember passing was a 40, and going into a small village in the dark, (down a hill and hidden behind a telephone pole) was a fixed camera...scared the shite out of me. Needless to say I drove the rest of the way at 30!

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2 years 27 weeks ago

newdevonian wrote:
I got a speed awareness course. I questioned the principle of poor signeage with the instructors and to say they were unhelpful was an understatement.

I hear that since funding was cut and many Gatso's were taken out of service, the speed awareness course people have been telling people that most Gatso's were converted to an infrared flash so you won't see them going off any more but they are still working.

This is a blatant porky pie.

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2 years 27 weeks ago

An article in the Times last year suggested that old style average speed cameras worked only between adjacent sets so you could in fact commit several 'offences' in one hit but they would only prosecute you for one - how nice of them. Newer systems can be set-up to measure your average over the whole run and so doing 1mph over the threshold between one pair and then 1 mph under the threshold between the next would leave you... on the threshold!

It did not, however, suggest what the tolerance was.

I can tell you that having driven at 58 speedo / 55 gps past Luton for the last 18 months I have not received any tickets.

I can also tell you that this may have something to do with the fact that they are regularly without power. The roadworkers cut through the cables supplying them and then make it extremely difficult for utility companies to gain access for the repairs!

I have to side with Rich on the overt/covert discussion. The majority of our road network can be driven at speeds above the posted limit with little or no consequence but certain spots pose infinitely greater risks - these are camera sites! I fully support the fixed camera network around where I live but I will be removing all mobile camera vans when I come into power.

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2 years 27 weeks ago

Thanks for all the responses, I can quell my Dad's conspiracy theories! I've always taken the view that I'll be safe doing an indicated 55mph, real world 52mph through roadworks and touch wood I've never been done. I also don't really want to go any faster when there are people working nearby and narrow lanes. I would however highly recommend having a car with a speed limiter. Cruise control isn't always suitable for busy stretches of motorways, but with a speed limited set to 55mph you're safe from getting a ticket and don't have to watch the speedo constantly. I just have to remember to switch it off before I accelerate away from the roadworks!

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2 years 27 weeks ago

I always travel at real 33 in a 30, 44 in a 40 and 55 in a 50 & have NEVER got a ticket. Do sometimes switch lanes. The roadworks M25 9-10 are a case in point where all four lanes are 'solid' with signs saying 'stay in lane'.... Never got a ticket. I'm sure they cannot track across lanes. Either way, thanks Roadpilot!

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