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18 September 2009

Surely this shoudlnt really be any slower than the 2.0 TDI 110? This 1.6 has the same torque and weighs less.

18 September 2009

[quote J400uk]

Surely this shoudlnt really be any slower than the 2.0 TDI 110? This 1.6 has the same torque and weighs less.

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Yes it does sound strange. It has enough power/torque in a relatively small car so feel quite swift in most situations, I'd have thought.

18 September 2009

[quote Lee23404]Yes it does sound strange. It has enough power/torque in a relatively small car so feel quite swift in most situations, I'd have thought.[/quote] I wonder if a lot of this isn't down to the engine being (presumably) very new and with very few miles on it. Diesels take a long time to fully "loosen up" and give their best. I test drove a Skoda Yeti 170 today, and it felt gutless, absolutely hating to rev. I've also driven a 170 Octavia (same motor) with lots of miles on it and it absolutely flew.

18 September 2009

[quote Dan McNeil][quote Lee23404]Yes it does sound strange. It has enough power/torque in a relatively small car so feel quite swift in most situations, I'd have thought.[/quote] I wonder if a lot of this isn't down to the engine being (presumably) very new and with very few miles on it. Diesels take a long time to fully "loosen up" and give their best. I test drove a Skoda Yeti 170 today, and it felt gutless, absolutely hating to rev. I've also driven a 170 Octavia (same motor) with lots of miles on it and it absolutely flew.[/quote]

Trust me guys, Dan is correct. when I first got my 1.6 tdi 105 it was a little slower then first expected, but after 2 weeks it is feeling a lot faster. Stick it in 2nd gear and overtaking is a joy. Autocar said the same when they reviewed the New Polo, this review is just a small road test it wont provide the same information as a long term test, which only owners can provide

18 September 2009

Not quite the ringing endorsement that accompanied the earlier high tech DSG and GTi model launches.

No mention of handling or braking capabilities. Perhaps not the main point for an economy model but a lot of satisfaction can be had from such a car if it has the basic chassis capabilities to keep up with more powerful editions.

18 September 2009

[quote moe360][quote Dan McNeil][quote Lee23404]Yes it does sound strange. It has enough power/torque in a relatively small car so feel quite swift in most situations, I'd have thought.[/quote] I wonder if a lot of this isn't down to the engine being (presumably) very new and with very few miles on it. Diesels take a long time to fully "loosen up" and give their best. I test drove a Skoda Yeti 170 today, and it felt gutless, absolutely hating to rev. I've also driven a 170 Octavia (same motor) with lots of miles on it and it absolutely flew.[/quote]

Trust me guys, Dan is correct. when I first got my 1.6 tdi 105 it was a little slower then first expected, but after 2 weeks it is feeling a lot faster. Stick it in 2nd gear and overtaking is a joy. Autocar said the same when they reviewed the New Polo, this review is just a small road test it wont provide the same information as a long term test, which only owners can provide

[/quote] Plus, the journo who gave us this insightful report might have jumped straight from a much faster car. One that looks like it's styled with an axe. An exclusive brand, even though millions of identikit ones choke the roads. Any car feels a bit slow when you've just driven a much faster one.

18 September 2009

[quote jerry99]No mention of handling or braking capabilities. Perhaps not the main point for an economy model but a lot of satisfaction can be had from such a car if it has the basic chassis capabilities to keep up with more powerful editions. [/quote]

If there had been a mention, it would to tell just how inferior to a Focus it is. The Autocar party line would be repeated: "...on a favourite B road, it just does not have the exquisite balance, sublime body control, precision crafted handling and incomparable road poise as the class-leading Ford..."

...the band was playing Dixie: double-four time...

19 September 2009

[quote cimardinius]If there had been a mention, it would to tell just how inferior to a Focus it is. The Autocar party line would be repeated: "...on a favourite B road, it just does not have the exquisite balance, sublime body control, precision crafted handling and incomparable road poise as the class-leading Ford..."[/quote]

Indeed. In my experience (and I've driven both Focuses and Golfs on numerous occasions) the differences in ride and handling are nowhere near as big as what Autocar would have you believe. A recent edition of Autocar rated the 1.6 Focus petrol more highly that the 1.4 TSI Golf. To me this is verging on insane. The Focus is more expensive (before a discount, anyway), over two seconds slower to 60 mph, less frugal, less refined, no better equipped, and has a far worse quality interior. Go figure...

19 September 2009

[quote Bogester]

[quote cimardinius]If there had been a mention, it would to tell just how inferior to a Focus it is. The Autocar party line would be repeated: "...on a favourite B road, it just does not have the exquisite balance, sublime body control, precision crafted handling and incomparable road poise as the class-leading Ford..."[/quote]

Indeed. In my experience (and I've driven both Focuses and Golfs on numerous occasions) the differences in ride and handling are nowhere near as big as what Autocar would have you believe. A recent edition of Autocar rated the 1.6 Focus petrol more highly that the 1.4 TSI Golf. To me this is verging on insane. The Focus is more expensive (before a discount, anyway), over two seconds slower to 60 mph, less frugal, less refined, no better equipped, and has a far worse quality interior. Go figure...

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Focus has a slight (and I mean slight) edge in handling. On the other hand, Golf has a massively better ride and all round comfort than the Focus. Add to that better a range of engines, lower noise levels and far higher refinement, superior build quality and a much better interior and the Golf is easily the better car. The fact that Autocar (just about alone among car mags) still insists on rating the Focus higher and the best car in class is a joke.

19 September 2009

Having owned and driven a Focus, i have to say it was an excellent car. However, this model is now 5 years old and was marginally better than the Mk5 Golf when launched. Knowing how much improved the Mk 6 is (or should that be revised Mk 5!), surely the Golf should now be class best on the basis that it's ride is better, more refined, better range of engines and better quality interior. While the Focus is still a great all rounder, surely handling alone cannot make a car class-best when the rest of the car is beaten in almost every other area. Seems Autocar has the same approach to the Focus as it does the 3-Series.

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