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The range-topping 'TTiD' diesel version of Saab's 9-5 saloon, complete with a brand new twin-turbocharged 2.0-litre diesel engine that will also end up powering the Vauxhall Insignia.
And it's a car with plenty of weight on its shoulders. The various ranks of the UK motoring press have, as one, voiced the same criticisms of Saab's lesser 2.0-litre TiD '160' 9-5: there's no shortage of concensus that it's a car short on performance and refinement, and doesn't ride...Read the full article
Matt, 'Brand new engine' you have written. Yes 2.0 and 1.9 as found in the 93 TTiD but is it brand new as you say so what are its origins?
[quote Mr£4worth]In the real world I bet this is a fine car. Comfy seats, great styling, huge boot and a wonderful luxobarge. If you're not after Nurburgring handling this'll be a great buy second hand in about a year. The cabin is cavernous.
I hope the sales start soon, I still haven't seen any on the road and my local dealer hadn't shifted any last time I popped in and had a look.[/quote]
Almost the same price as a BMW 525d.. Mercedes E250 cdi as well?
I think I will have the german to be honest. They are both luxobarges, why not get a 520d Touring or the Merc/Audi equivalent they meet all the requiremens and I dare say better the Saab on performance, economy, interior design, quality and you get the better drive thrown in! All by looks of it for a lot cheaper!
These days you get many things standard in the BMW, like leather upholstery and an 8 speed auto gearbox depending on where you buy in the range! There is not chance this will be stealing from any BMW/Merc/Audi sales anytime soon because lets face it, the alternative is still the alternative and at this rate it will always be the poorly priced Vauxhall 9-5!!!
"...less head toss" - that's a new one, Autocar!
..... as opposed to what you can expect in a well-specced Merc?!?!
I would guess these general revisions to both spec and suspension (although not the engine) is a "quick fix" solution and SAAB are working on something a little more substantial further down the line.
Out of curiosity though, all of the negative reports so far have been UK based, what have reviews in other countries said?
It's all about the twisties........
These days you get many things standard in the BMW[/quote][quote ej03]8 speed auto gearbox depending on where you buy in the range![/quote] hhhmmm yes, you do get a 'free' auto box on the 535d, but that's over £40k...hardly a fair comparison is it???!!!
The problem with the Saab is as always a willingness for non Saabists to buy the car. If it is priced to the same level as its German rivals then it is going to have problems. It is also too heavy as well.
[quote thebaldgit]The problem with the Saab is as always a willingness for non Saabists to buy the car. If it is priced to the same level as its German rivals then it is going to have problems. It is also too heavy as well.[/quote] i agree, i love the IDEA of buying and owning a SAAB, but in reality it would have to have a list price of at least £3k less than BMW - more in line with the sort of prices that alfa, honda and the like charge...
[quote il sole]it would have to have a list price of at least £3k less than BMW - more in line with the sort of prices that alfa, honda and the like charge...[/quote]
Sorry,but could we exclude Alfa from "...and the like"? She is different! And I wouldn't compare everything with BMW especially with the current 5,witch I think is pretty ugly!