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Citroën DS3 DSport

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6 May 2010

Nice review, very good looking car. Will be interesting to see how the DS3 fares in the long term, with residuals and reliability etc. Also, its exactly the same 1.6 110 diesel as the MINI Cooper D uses.

6 May 2010

the petrol turbo aside the 120bhp petrol vti is quicker than this thing, a second to 60mph, and its nothing to do with weight as they weigh about the same, just goes to show diesels can not accelerate, even when the power to weight is similar, and even when they have over 50% extra torque...

oh and if your thinking it might be something to do with gearing and a sweet spot at 60mph, its not, over a timed distance of 1km the petrol vti is also quicker by over a second...

1.6 vti 120bhp/6000rpm 160nm/4200rpm £13,700

1.6 hdi sport 110bhp/4000rpm 270nm/2000rpm £15,900

save yourself £2,200

cheaper tax is balanced out by diesel being 3 groups higher in insurance cost.

petrol/diesel costs:

Extra cost to buy£2,175
Saving per 1000 miles£27.46
Miles to break even79,219
Time to break even
at 12,000 miles per year
7 years

6 May 2010

beachland2: You're ignoring the fact that the diesel will always be worth more when sold, admittedly not £2,200 more. But I'd agree that the petrol engine is the best option. What's the betting that the diesel engine's split mass flywheel (I assume that it has one) will have failed before 80,000 miles, wiping out any fuel cost saving in an instant!

6 May 2010

I like this car as Citroen have not styled themselves into a retro cul de sac as is the case with the MINI . Cant wait to see the DS4 as this car is too small to meet my needs. Sorry but the new 4x4 MINI (cant remember its name ) is not on my list as it is just too ugly and expensive in my book.

Lets hope Citroens forthcoming DS4 will be as original and worth a try. My last Citroen was a BX DTR turbo and nothing has appealed to me from then till the DS3 came out.

6 May 2010

while it might have cheap tax, the MINI with the same engine get 105g of co2/km. Will citroen bring out a stop/start model?

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10 years of Smart ownership over, sensible car mode activated

6 May 2010

LP, there's very little chance that the flywheel will need replacing anywhere near 80,000 miles, unless of course the car is driven by a total idiot. Dual mass flywheels are ruined by labouring the engine. The only one I've ever known fail was on a chipped 160,000 mile Mondeo that had spent a lot of time towing a large caravan across the country.

The disadvantage a TDI had over a petrol was the risk of turbo failure wiping out fuel savings. Now though, little petol engines also have a turbo. Wish I'd bought shares in Garrett.

6 May 2010

I am really surprised about how much Autocar seems to love this car. First of all, it is NOT a Mini rival. Citroen claims that it is, but at least here on the continent there is no way that the type of people who buy a Mini will be pulled towards this car in significant numbers. The styling of the DS 3 is too unsophisticated and "in your face" on the outside and on the inside it looks and feels too cheap (even the French car magazines have commented on this - the materials Citroen has used are not up to the premium character it claims for this car). No matter what the sticker price is, Citroen will not be able to shift those in the numbers that Mini does, without providing serious reductions on the price (which they are already doing here in Switzerland) which then in turn undermines any premium claims Citroen may make for this car. Even in France, the sales figures of the DS3 at least for March were behind those of the Mini (which could have to do with delivery problems, remains to be seen how this will evolve). I do not understand where Citroen wants to go as a brand, and this car does not really clarify the matter. There is no inovation here, just trying to copy what others do, exactly as they did also with the C5.

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6 May 2010

[quote Faustcar]

I am really surprised about how much Autocar seems to love this car. First of all, it is NOT a Mini rival. Citroen claims that it is, but at least here on the continent there is no way that the type of people who buy a Mini will be pulled towards this car in significant numbers. The styling of the DS 3 is too unsophisticated and "in your face" on the outside and on the inside it looks and feels too cheap (even the French car magazines have commented on this - the materials Citroen has used are not up to the premium character it claims for this car). No matter what the sticker price is, Citroen will not be able to shift those in the numbers that Mini does, without providing serious reductions on the price (which they are already doing here in Switzerland) which then in turn undermines any premium claims Citroen may make for this car. Even in France, the sales figures of the DS3 at least for March were behind those of the Mini (which could have to do with delivery problems, remains to be seen how this will evolve). I do not understand where Citroen wants to go as a brand, and this car does not really clarify the matter. There is no inovation here, just trying to copy what others do, exactly as they did also with the C5.

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Bravo Sir! Couldn't be bothered to comment on this superficial show pony but is always good to see someone write well and drag things back to the realm of reality.

Whatever happened to the C5? Rare as hens' teeth. Great launch advert, sales bomb, last seen being handed out to BBC reporters to do dire election-related 'motorway man' pieces.

6 May 2010

[quote beachland2]oh and if your thinking it might be something to do with gearing and a sweet spot at 60mph, its not, over a timed distance of 1km the petrol vti is also quicker by over a second...[/quote]

Wow, a whole second. That's amazing.

To say diesels don't accelerate is a bit silly though isn't it. It's just a second slower over a kilometre. I'm sure i'd be really fed up with being a second slower on the roads when i'm in normal traffic.

You really don't need to go to such levels to convince us how much you dislike diesel cars everytime a diesel car is tested here. We know you don't like them. We get it.

I'm with you to some degree, I prefer petrol, but I can also appreciate a decent diesel. I enjoy the engine characteristics of both types of engine.

Modern diesels are so good. As this test confirms, it's slower than the petrol, and not as revvy, but still a thoroughly decent engine to use.

6 May 2010

Best Citroen design I have seen in years, the integrity of the concept (amazingly a reskin of the ubiquitous C2 VTS HDI) reminds me of when the CX was launched, I am now speechless.

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