Next gen Subaru Impreza STi, due in 2012, will be offered with a diesel option

The Evo’s old rival, Subaru’s Impreza STi, is also set to offer a diesel model in its next generation — but it’s still likely to have a petrol-powered variant too.

Due in 2012, the next-gen STi will get an enhanced version of the 2.0-litre turbodiesel offered in the current Impreza. Its flat four layout should make it easier for Subaru to maintain the STi’s reputation for fine handling, while delivering better fuel economy.

Subaru isn’t about to drop turbocharged petrol engines just yet, though. Insiders say a downsized four-cylinder petrol unit, possibly based on the 1.5-litre flat four that powers base-model Imprezas, is under consideration.

Subaru is one step behind Mitsubishi on the hybrid front, though. Although the company has this technology planned for the hot Impreza, it’s unlikely to appear until at least halfway through the next-gen model’s lifecycle.

As with the Evo, the Impreza’s revisions will mean a shake-up of the car’s motorsport activities. Instead of rallying, the Impreza is likely to switch to circuit racing.

Peter Lyon

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11 June 2010

Well, at least it's not a hybrid diesel like the Evo!

11 June 2010

The hybrid part isn't what kills it for me - after all Porsche and Ferrari are now playing with hybrid technology - it's the diesel..! You take away the rev range and you just hobble the car. Some cars suit that performance mould, the Evo and Scooby are not among them. It's a visceral enjoyment thing.

11 June 2010

I think the boxer diesel is quite a good basis for a faster car - it's not really like any other diesel on the market.

Interesting to see that they might do something with the 1.5 petrol. In its present non-turbo form it's already an interesting overlooked option - slowish but nice and with a low price.

11 June 2010

This sounds like an ideal basis for a return to the WRC - if they increase the unit to 1600cc then they have the basis for a ready made 2011 WRC return........

On the subject of a diesel Evo - why not? Plenty of mid range punch is what these cars are all about. I swapped a Scooby for a vRS Fabia a few years ago and there was little in it during 95% of driving. Sure I missed the flat 4 but that last 5% was only lost because of the way in which the scooby was so balanced and downright competent compared with the front wheel drive Skoda. (I did enjoy 50mpg though!). A diesel performance STi Scooby would be nigh on perfect as would a diseasal Mitsi - though I'd be a bit sceptical about the hybrid bit.

11 June 2010

The whole point of a petrol STi is that it's fast. Bl**dy fast.

Diesels are lumbering beasts, sometimes best for economy but slower and therefore difficult to compare directly with petrol as you're not getting the same performance. In other words if you've got a 2l diesel you may have to compare against the 1.5l petrol for it to be fair, and when you do it's not as clear cut as you'd have imagined.

But back to the Scooby. I changed from a WRX PPP to a car with a straigh six engine and rear wheel drive. There's times where it can't match what the Subaru could do on tight twisty roads or when it's wet, but I get better MPG, and a different driving experience where smoothness rewards. It's rather good.

I took the decision to not to buy the new hatchback after test driving it. It was fine if you wanted a white knuckle ride, but pottering about as you do when driving normally it just wasn't as good as my old Impreza.

11 June 2010

I would have thought that Subaru would have help from Toyota as regards hybrid technology as they work closely together.they need to bring the saloon version back to Europe next time too.

12 June 2010

[quote Symanski]

The whole point of a petrol STi is that it's fast. Bl**dy fast.

Diesels are lumbering beasts, sometimes best for economy but slower and therefore difficult to compare directly with petrol as you're not getting the same performance. In other words if you've got a 2l diesel you may have to compare against the 1.5l petrol for it to be fair, and when you do it's not as clear cut as you'd have imagined.

But back to the Scooby. I changed from a WRX PPP to a car with a straigh six engine and rear wheel drive. There's times where it can't match what the Subaru could do on tight twisty roads or when it's wet, but I get better MPG, and a different driving experience where smoothness rewards. It's rather good.

I took the decision to not to buy the new hatchback after test driving it. It was fine if you wanted a white knuckle ride, but pottering about as you do when driving normally it just wasn't as good as my old Impreza.

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Audi's 6.0 litre diseasel V12 has roughly the same power and roughly double the amount of torque as Aston's 6.0 litre petrol V12. If they make the R8 V12 TDi (which they've canned for the moment), a DBS wouldn't see where it went on a fast B-road, or a track.

12 June 2010

those big diesels are canned forever due to emissions.

12 June 2010

[quote Straight Six Man]If they make the R8 V12 TDi[/quote]

You mean the one that went on fire during testing?

It's impressive what they've managed to do with that engine. Having a quick look at the Q7 with one in it's 2605kg, but a 4.2 V8 TDi version is 2240kg. 365kg can't be ignored! Can't be just the engine, can it????

12 June 2010

I actually like the idea of the diesel. I'm commuting 120 KMs a day, so with high octane at $1.15 / litre in Canada when it's cheap I would love to have something fast and cheaper to run. There is so much room to make it a four wheel drive torque monster.

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