Small car platform deal to include Minis, and possibly BMWs

BMW and PSA Peugeot Citroën are set to extend their joint venture operations to include a new small car platform, which could be used to create a front-wheel-drive 1-series as well as the next generation of Minis.

Already involved in the joint design and production of four-pot engines for Mini and PSA models, the two firms are working on a deal to build a new modular front-wheel drive platform.

The planned structure will underpin the next-generation Mini range, as well as successors to the Citroën C3 and C4, Peugeot 308 and the forthcoming Peugeot 208.

“It’s no secret that we have been seeking to extend our joint venture operations. In the end we decided to build on our successful relationship with Peugeot,” said a BMW source. The decision is scheduled to be made public early next year.

But the biggest change would involve the platform’s use in the 1-series. BMW officials have hinted that future incarnations of the 1-series could sit on the same basic structure as the 2013 Mini.

“Nothing is concrete at this stage but discussions are on-going about whether or not BMW should break with the tradition of rear and four-wheel-drive cars,” said a BMW source. “For many in this company it is a taboo subject. But we have to be realistic with the targets we have set ourselves for fuel consumption and emissions, and they clearly favour a front-wheel-drive solution for 2018.”

The platform is said to centre on a front-end module, including the entire engine bay, front suspension and bulkhead, to which each car maker will attach its own rear end. That solution would allow BMW to retain the Mini’s multi-link suspension.

Greg Kable

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2 December 2009

BMW and PSA Peugeot Citroën are set to extend their joint venture operations to include a new small car platform, which could be used to create a front-wheel-drive 1-series as well as the next generation of Minis. Oh dear, I love my current RWD 135. The thought of a FWD PSA I series sends shivers down my spine. Let's hope it never happens. And yes I have driven oil burning FWD Minis, and the quality control was deplorable. Keep BMW core values, and you keep the brand. Tie in Peugeot and I suggest you're on a road to oblivion.

2 December 2009

We are witnessing the END of car development by major manufacturers. Cars have become cheap and rather flimsy, not to mention very boring and electric like in all manner of experiences which it is to actually drive them.

Here's looking forward to small makers designing their own chassis'. Witness Artega making far better cars with VW guts. The price of cars like Artega's will eventually come down quite some margin with volume, and then the governments/conglomerates/emirates will be confused at how so many were able to outsource the automobile... And put them all out of business, here's to that. J

2 December 2009

Front wheel drive BMWs?

The end of the world is nigh, bloody nigh I tells yer

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2 December 2009

Didnt Autocar say that BMW are planning a FWD '0-Series' based on the Mini platform to sit below the 1-series? Surely this doesnt make sense now.

2 December 2009

-all those did said BMW are not going to merge and or undertake massive joint ventures!

-so BMW are going to merge with PSA and not Ford

-well who could have known BMW could not keep going as they were and were going to have to merge and or undergo massive joint ventures?

-as a note, think about it (1 series RWD that is) - if all things are equal i.e. similar fuel consumption/emission output from the engine, similar weight in the car body etc - the only difference between FWD and RWD is the extra bits you need for RWD (which means weight and cost and less profit etc)

-thus the only way you can get to the FWD emissions/consumption is by having FWD - in small cars up to and including 3 series especially - an FWD 3 series!

2 December 2009

Who would buy an overpriced, small, frontwheel-drive BMW 1-series when you can have the same mechanicals in a Peugeot? That will really be interesting. I look into the future and I see Mercedes tying up with Renault and BMW with Peugeot, it just makes sense for all of them. But hopefully each company can keep their genes. In the future, you just need to be good an all grounds, VW and Toyota are just the best examples, they can withstand crisis much better and with all the cash they can innovate like no other companies.

2 December 2009

I remember a very competent chassis engineer once explaining how much of a car's character and handling ability comes from the back end. I expect BMW will produce a very decent FWD car, perhaps one which will change the RWD diehard's perceptions. And the solution for those who simply cannot accept a small FWD BMW? Buy something bigger!

2 December 2009

[quote CapsLock]

-all those did said BMW are not going to merge and or undertake massive joint ventures!

-so BMW are going to merge with PSA and not Ford

-well who could have known BMW could not keep going as they were and were going to have to merge and or undergo massive joint ventures?

[/quote] Nearly all car makers take part in joint ventures with other makers to keep costs down. Nothing new there. But where in the report does it say this a "merger"?

On a separate note, going fwd with the next 1-series is counter-productive as the rwd set up is its unique selling point. Maybe BMW can introduce a larger fwd brand above the Mini using this new platform.

2 December 2009

[quote VelSatis23]Who would buy an overpriced, small, frontwheel-drive BMW 1-series when you can have the same mechanicals in a Peugeot?[/quote] Who would buy an overpriced, small, frontwheel-drive Audi A3 when you can have the same mechanicals in a VW?
Could say something similar about the Mini.
The answer is, give people a choice and usually enough of them will make the illogical one and be quite happy!

2 December 2009

[quote March1]would buy an overpriced, small, frontwheel-drive Audi A3 when you can have the same mechanicals in a VW?[/quote] Pretty much exactly what I was going to say! Audi have been doing this for a long time. Don't forget the TT is based on the same chassis as a Golf/Octavia/Leon/A3 and it didnt exactly harm sales. Granted, it took a while for them to make it relatively decent to drive...

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