Renault has begun work on a luxury car based on Mercedes platform, according to company bosses
17 February 2012

Renault has begun work on a luxury car based on Mercedes platform, according to company bosses. The project is reportedly at an early stage and the viability of such a vehicle is still being studied, according to news reports quoting company COO Carlos Tavares.

Renault-Nissan boss Carlos Ghosn was also quoted as saying that ‘at least one’ Mercedes-based luxury car would ‘help’ the company.

Renault is already in an alliance with Daimler, Mercedes’ parent company, with plans to build the next-generation Smart ForFour on the same platform as the next-generation Twingo. There are also plans to build an entry-level Infiniti on the new Mercedes B-Class platform.

Last year French government officials told Renault that it had to accelerate plans to stay in the large car sector after the company had failed to make clear its plans to replace the ageing Laguna and Espace models. The government owns 15 percent of the carmaker.

The Mercedes-based car would be ‘third’ model in the large car range, after the Espace replacement and, presumably, the Laguna replacement, both of which are likely to remain front-wheel drive.

 

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17 February 2012

Curious?

What do Renault want to get out of this? Is it the kudos of telling people that it's a good car because it is a Mercedes underneath? Is this what he means by "help"?

Why not use in house hardware if they want a rear drive platform - they already have various Infiniti's they could create a car off?

Doesn't really make sense?

 

 

It's all about the twisties........

17 February 2012

Makes no sense at all.

Renault sell the new Safrane to some countries based on a Renault-Samsung.

They have Infiniti at their disposal. They could even use the GTR platform if they were that way inclined (Are there any other interesting Japanese Nissan RWD platforms?).

Being based on a Merc didn't really help Smart, Ssangyong, early Tata pickups. Even the mk1 Chrysler 300 and Crossfire weren't huge sellers despite Merc input.

I can see Merc wanting access to Renault (+Nissan?) small car tech to fight off the BMW MINI / 1 series / i-Cars. But Renault wanting the other way?

Besides, Mercs reliability since about the late 90s has rivalled, if not worse than, Renaults.

(Build a new Laguna built as a W123 was and I'd be there with the chequebook!)

17 February 2012

[quote sirwiggum] Even the mk1 Chrysler 300 and Crossfire weren't huge sellers despite Merc input.[/quote]

Don't forget they were typically based on outdated, previous-gen models (for example, the 300C was based on the W210 platform but it was sold during the period when Merc were selling the successor to the W210, the W211).

[quote sirwiggum]Besides, Mercs reliability since about the late 90s has rivalled, if not worse than, Renaults.[/quote]

Sorry but I'm afraid that's an outdated perception. In the late 90s/early 2000s quality indeed took a blow but now they're much better.

Renault's aren't that bad either - I know several people who have Renaults and, touch wood, they haven't had any significant issues.

 

- Follow your own star -

17 February 2012

I think the success of Infiniti and Lexus is begining to haunt Mr Ghosen. Cant think of any other reason for this project. That gives me an idea for a new thread!

17 February 2012

[quote petrolheadinrussia]I think the success of Infiniti and Lexus is begining to haunt Mr Ghosen. Cant think of any other reason for this project. [/quote]

Infiniti is part of the Renault-Nissan Alliance and hence is controlled by Mr. Ghosn [among others]...so Infiniti's success should not trouble Ghosn at all [although tbh I have no idea how successful Infiniti really are outside Europe, because here they don't seem to be making much of an impact] :)

 

- Follow your own star -

17 February 2012

If I read this right, Hilton says that the French government have told Renault to build another big car. I suspect Renault think that if they piggy back off of Mercedes then the car itself will be good. This says nothing of whether it will be a success in the market. Sounds completely bonkers to me.

17 February 2012

Christian Galea wrote the following post at Feb 17, 2012 5:49 PM:

[quote sirwiggum] Even the mk1 Chrysler 300 and Crossfire weren't huge sellers despite Merc input.[/quote]

Don't forget they were typically based on outdated, previous-gen models (for example, the 300C was based on the W210 platform but it was sold during the period when Merc were selling the successor to the W210, the W211).

[quote sirwiggum]Besides, Mercs reliability since about the late 90s has rivalled, if not worse than, Renaults.[/quote]

Sorry but I'm afraid that's an outdated perception. In the late 90s/early 2000s quality indeed took a blow but now they're much better.

Renault's aren't that bad either - I know several people who have Renaults and, touch wood, they haven't had any significant issues.


Actually the 300C was a huge succes and very popular they could not build enough off them . They were hardly going to make the MK 2 one look similar to the first one iff the first one was not a success now were they .

18 February 2012

Just back from an autoshow, nobody asking any questions at their booth hahah.

Benz is nice by itself. Not sure what kind of creature will be the result of Renaut and Benz

18 February 2012

So the French govt can dictate what cars they produce, maybe that explains their rather randon decisions on model lineups recently

18 February 2012

Everybody knows the only reason the French build luxury cars is to give their politicians something to swan around in.

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