AMG has no plans to follow its great rival BMW M into producing high-performance diesels

AMG has no plans to follow its great rival BMW M into producing high-performance diesels. AMG boss Ola Kallenius said such a move would introduce too many compromises to its performance-focused line-up.

Citing the example of AMG’s new twin-turbo 5.5-litre V8, he said: “The technology of performance gasoline engines is converging with diesel tech. Direct injection, downsizing and turbocharging are all having an effect.

“We looked at diesel a few years back, but petrol engines have obvious benefits of sound, weight, agility and response.”

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7 February 2012

This is good to hear, i still havent warmed to idea of a tri turbo diesel if im honest.

7 February 2012

At the risk of sounding cynical that is probably because MB diesels these days cannot hope to compare with BMW ones.

BMW made the twin-turbo 1 series, a couple of years later MB put a 2nd turbo on their 2.2 diesel, but only for the 250d C Class & E Class - the CLC had to soldier on with the old version of the 2.2 desel. Maybe if MB had made a decent diesel available in the CLC it would have sold a bit better, but then maybe not...... the previous Sport Coupe looked so much better to my mind.

At one time MB seemed innovative, now they just (eventually, if they can be bothered) respond to whatever BMW develops - nice that MB obviously hase the skills but why not try to be ahead of the game again?

7 February 2012

[quote toptidy]At the risk of sounding cynical that is probably because MB diesels these days cannot hope to compare with BMW ones[/quote] As a cyclist in London, I have made one observation. BMW diesels are far louder outside than Mercs.

A 5 series for instance is quite clattery at idle and when pulling away. The E Class diesel on the other hand is so quiet, that often the fuel pump is the only audible external noise.

How this translates to interior refinement I have no idea, but I thought I'd chuck it in.

 

 

7 February 2012

[quote Autocar]AMG has no plans to follow its great rival BMW M into producing high-performance diesels....[/quote]

Fair enough, I suppose, but AMG could have a change of heart if the M diesels sell well. And judging by the new Alpina D5, performance diesels can be very tasty indeed.

7 February 2012

[quote Autocar]Citing the example of AMG’s new twin-turbo 5.5-litre V8, he said: “The technology of performance gasoline engines is converging with diesel tech. [/quote]

Does this mean MB are going to be utilising their DiesOtto engine technology soon then?

 

 

It's all about the twisties........

7 February 2012

That's probably a good thing. By making oil-burners, the AMG brand would lose a lot of its credibility amongst keen customers and petrolheads alike.

I have a C350CDI, and that has 265bhp. I'm sure Merc could boost the two turbos significantly to get about 350bhp from it, but then again, I think the performance of my car is more than adequate already!

Whilst I'll admit that BMW tends to get slightly better figures from its diesel engines, I can agree with the poster earlier who said that Merc's diesels are much more refined. I've had a 320d, 520d and 330d, and they were very 'clattery', albeit very good. I prefer my Merc's engine. There is a much thicker torque curve to exploit, and the engine is so refined and quiet. When pushed, it sounds comparable to a Mondeo ST24 I had back in the late nineties, but when cruising, you can't even hear the engine.

7 February 2012

This sort of goes hand-in-hand with the article on the 11th Jan in Autocar and I quote :

"Daimler’s head of future mobility and advanced engineering, Herbert Kohler, told Autocar it was “a given” that future AMGs would be offered with hybrid technology.

“In the future AMG will still offer high performance models but there will be hybrids there,” he said. “AMG needs to reduce fuel consumption.”"

I suppose they're skipping the performance diesel era and developing their battery technology instead.

p.s. they also mentioned range-extenders but did not mention Hydrogen power

 

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7 February 2012

[quote Autocar]AMG has no plans to follow its great rival BMW M into producing high-performance diesels. AMG
boss Ola Kallenius said such a move would introduce too many compromises to its performance-focused line-up.

Citing the example of AMG’s new twin-turbo 5.5-litre V8, he said: “The technology of performance gasoline engines is converging with diesel tech. Direct injection, downsizing and turbocharging are all having an effect.

“We looked at diesel a few years back, but petrol engines ha... Read the full article[/quote] Yeah, we'll see, how long can they stay out of a sector that promises so much,lots of torque,0-60mph in the low fours and even low emissions.

Peter Cavellini.

7 February 2012

Why would anyone want a diesel performance car apart of a sporty badge and looks? Surely not because because of the environment - these engines won't last... [quote Fidji]When pushed, it sounds comparable to a Mondeo ST24 I had back in the late nineties, but when cruising, you can't even hear the engine.[/quote] I still have one that my father bought as new, and will keep it as a youngtimer!

7 February 2012

"Petrol engines have obvious benefits of sound, weight, agility and response"...

No real arguement regarding sound, weight or response but surely the number of AMG cars that could be described as agile could be counted on one hand (or even one finger). Its hardly one of the brands core values. Sound on the other hand....!

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