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Dec 30 2008

The missing Jag diesel

Chas Hallett
After running a Jaguar XF for three months I’m even more convinced that it’s the best exec saloon on the market.
But I’m not going to pretend that the 2.7-litre diesel is the best thing about it. Yes it’s peachy smooth and a great match for the six-speed auto ‘box. But a BMW 530d has a far superior motor, let alone the 535d. So the XF’s new 272bhp 3.0-litre diesel is another sign that Jaguar seems capable of keeping up with the Germans.
Then again there’s still a glaring omission in the line-up. Where’s the punchy four-cylinder TD? By far the best selling Bee-Ems, Audis and Mercs are not the fire-breathing versions, they’re the cooking diesels. Jag bosses will tell you that they’re not after big numbers, just profitability. But the way things are going, a smaller-engined XF is going to be required to even get it to figure on potential buyers’ wish lists.
A 200bhp diesel with a Sport badge and the looks of the forthcoming XFR sounds very ‘new Jaguar’ to me.

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About Chas Hallett

Used to make all the big decisions at Autocar, including whether to drive the Aston, or the Kia, home. Now editor-in-chief at sister magazine, WhatCar?.

Comments

TegTypeR December 30, 2008 11:57 AM

Have you been reading the forum?

manicm December 30, 2008 12:28 PM

Yes Chad, have you been reading the forum for the article on the new XF diesels.

You're gonna have to face me!!!!!!!!

'There Will Be Blood' heh heh heh.

manicm December 30, 2008 12:35 PM

In fact I'm surprised I'm not kicked out already, I'm using up way too much of your disk space!

manicm December 30, 2008 12:40 PM

Oops I meant Chas - please forgive me for that!

Roger Frost December 30, 2008 3:14 PM

The XF is fine if you dont look at the front and rear ends as they look awful

manicm December 30, 2008 3:21 PM

The XF has the best looking rear-end of just about any car right now, even if it's Astonish.

In fact the only mid-size saloon that compares aesthetically is the Citroen C6.

Dan McNeil December 31, 2008 12:04 AM

From the front, the XF looks like a really shiny Hyundai.  From the rear three-quarters backwards, it looks like an early William Towns sketch for an Aston V8.

Chas Hallett. December 31, 2008 12:16 PM

No I haven't been reading the forums but I have now... Nice to know that some of us are in agreement

Chas Hallett. December 31, 2008 12:16 PM

No I haven't been reading the forums but I have now... Nice to know that some of us are in agreement

W124 December 31, 2008 1:26 PM

The XJ is lighter.  Why not put the 2.2 diesel and auto powertain out of the X-Type into that as well?  A lot cheaper than engineering a hybrid.  I suppose the decision to focus on the high power Diesel unit was taken in happier times.  Jag had better get a four cylinder Diesel and manual into the XF and sharpish - also an estate as mentioned on the forum.  I don't care what they say about wanting to be more exclusive - that is pure ***.  If they could get it out tommorow it would be too late.

manicm December 31, 2008 2:45 PM

W124??? I'm gonna quote myself in another forum on this site.

So you want a manual XF? You hate yourself that much? Get therapy, it's cheaper and cleaner still.

manicm December 31, 2008 2:51 PM

The 2.2 diesel that's in the X-Type and Freelander is thirstier, slower and dirtier than the new XF 3.0Ds - I'm not joking, go and check the specs.

So just rule the current 2.2D out - it's totally useless in the XF.

The truth is Jag does not have the time, money or energy to drop in a potent 4-pot diesel into the XF right now, especially for very few buyers.

The new 3.0Ds are the best Jag could do right now as even the more powerful variant is cleaner and more economical than the 2.7d, and since the diesel is the one most buyers will pick Jag was spot on here.

As you would have noticed I'm an argumentative bugger, so let's see some responses here :)

roadtester December 31, 2008 6:59 PM

Welcome to the club. I called for this in print months ago. Nice to see more people seeing the light.

W124 December 31, 2008 7:56 PM

I quite like small engined, manual, big cars - don't really know why...  Apologies - I was referencing the Jaguar MPV thread.  

Howard Ward January 1, 2009 7:15 PM

At last - the engine now matches the rest of the car! But if I decide that I can't quite stretch the funds for an XF is there any chance of the powertrain finding its way into a Citroen C5?

Roofer January 1, 2009 10:33 PM

If the new 3.0d does as it says on the tin, i may swap my 335d for one.

BMW aftercare has finally done for me.

Chips January 2, 2009 3:34 PM

The 2.2 diesel in the X-type is the Ford Puma unit and it's ancient and barely clinging on to EU4. Ford don't use the Puma in any of their current cars anymore - just the vans.

The 2.2 in the Freelander is the PSA DW12 unit and is close to state of the art for a 4 cylinder diesel. It's the engine that's just gone in the new 2.2 Mondeo and it's used in various PSA applications as well. In a saloon car (i.e, not a Freelander), it's reasonably clean, punchy and refined. The new stop/start version of the Freelander produces 174g/km and does 42.2mpg. With similar technology and the updated DW12 that is on the way - Jaguar could easily achieve 180 + bhp, 45 mpg and low carbons (maybe not 520d low, but close).

W124 January 2, 2009 9:49 PM

That's useful to know.  I wonder if Jaguar could get the supply of engines they would need given that Landrover do also.  Perhaps there is a bit of tension between the two companies for reasons like this.  The PSA unit sounds ideal and, if reworked as you say, might also be ideal for the XJ which is pretty light - that would be a bold, clever move in Europe.  I think the key to this is the understanding that this problem needs to be looked at in terms of sales.  The logic, in engineering terms, is irrelevant.

I was wondering also about the X-Type.  Could Jaguar just re-skin  and re-engineer it as they did the S-Type to make the XF?  The last generation Mondeo chassis is surely a better place to start than an old US saloon.

W124 January 2, 2009 9:50 PM

That's useful to know.  I wonder if Jaguar could get the supply of engines they would need given that Landrover do also.  Perhaps there is a bit of tension between the two companies for reasons like this.  The PSA unit sounds ideal and, if reworked as you say, might also be ideal for the XJ which is pretty light - that would be a bold, clever move in Europe.  I think the key to this is the understanding that this problem needs to be looked at in terms of sales.  The logic, in engineering terms, is irrelevant.

I was wondering also about the X-Type.  Could Jaguar just re-skin  and re-engineer it as they did the S-Type to make the XF?  The last generation Mondeo chassis is surely a better place to start than an old US saloon.

W124 January 2, 2009 9:50 PM

I hate it when that happens.

Rover P6 3500S January 5, 2010 5:07 PM

W124, I believe that the next-gen X-type is going to be an all-aluminium RWD job, spun off the XK platform. This is long overdue - in track and wheelbase, the XK is pretty much the same size as a 3-series, and its handling is fantastic. Hopefully once the Ford tech-share deal is over, Jag will stop mucking around with V6s and get back to producing proper straight-sixes - until they do, they'll never compete properly with BMW.

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