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Sep 01 2010

A used Ferrari is still a great Ferrari

Chas Hallett
Even faster, even easier to drive, even more dramatic and, to my eyes, even better looking. Those were my first thoughts after driving the new 458 Italia that turned up here on test – straight after a weekend blasting around in ‘our’ used F430.

Does that make the F430 an inferior car to the 458? Yes, of course it does. Just as well, too, because who wants a new car without any progress? The 458’s double-clutch gearbox especially is a massive step forward over the 430’s rather more conventional robotised manual system, first used by Ferrari in the mid-1990s.



But despite all this, I can’t bring myself to look upon Steve Cropley’s F430 any less favourably. It still goes up the road absurdly well and can comfortably outperform some seriously fast cars, including an Audi R8 V10 we had around here for six months.

There aren’t many cars that can match it for drama or sense of occasion, either. I tagged along to a job involving the new Mercedes SLS in the F430 recently. Even the Gullwing, excellent car though it is, just didn’t quite have the pizzazz of the Ferrari. And you can add quite a few exotic cars to that list.

The upshot is that if you have the wherewithal to buy and run a used F430, you’re still getting a brilliant car. That applies even now the 458 Italia has turned up.

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About Chas Hallett

Used to make all the big decisions at Autocar, including whether to drive the Aston, or the Kia, home. Now editor-in-chief at sister magazine, WhatCar?.

Comments

Peter Cavellini September 1, 2010 11:54 AM

So what's the definition of a good used car?, what criteria does it have too meet?, is it the same criteria for everybody?, a Ferrari isn't a cheap car too run,we all know that,but there are better drives out there for a lot less, so you can get your thrills just the same, so for instance is Porsche 911 a better used car than a Ferrari?

Steve A Steele September 1, 2010 12:01 PM

Isn't the problem, though, Chas, that no one can actually afford to run a second hand one even if they can afford the purchase price? They are eye-wateringly absurdly expensive things to run.

Look at the prices of the obscenely gorgeous 456. Affordable. Then work out what it would cost to service and insure. Forget it. Utterly unaffordable.

pabs September 1, 2010 12:03 PM

Nicely put Chas. Any chance you can let me have the 430 now that Cropley's finished with it ?

The Bluebottle September 1, 2010 1:51 PM

@Cavellini: He is talking about a Ferrari here, not a Porsche.

@Steele: Last paragraph renders your comment ignorant. Read it.

@Chas: Great article, the F430 is a stunning car.

elvetosnauarxos September 1, 2010 1:52 PM

The 458 is better in catching fire, too.

elvetosnauarxos September 1, 2010 1:53 PM

The 458 is easier in catching fire, too.

Peter Cavellini September 1, 2010 2:28 PM

Buzzzzzz!!!!!, aren't you allowed to put a counter point?, Buzzzz!!!!!, Ferrari's aren't everybody's idea of a used car to enjoy for loads of reasons, Buzzzz!!??

Steve A Steele September 1, 2010 4:38 PM

@ The Bluebottle...no it doesn't. Read what I wrote again. Many people have one but not the other. My point is that 'if you have the werewithal' means 'you must be very rich or very desparate to own a Ferrari'.

The Bluebottle September 1, 2010 4:44 PM

@Cavellini: By all means have a counter point, but make it valid and keep it on topic. A Lotus Elise is better to drive than any Porsche; does that mean it is a better used car than a 911? Hence we have a never ending spiral of pointless comparisons. Chas says the F430 remains a great car, what Porsche et al. do is largely irrelevant. Come on Cavellini, post something worth reading, you're dropping your standards these days. Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Steve A Steele September 1, 2010 5:42 PM

And welcome back to Beachland2 for the umpteenth time this week.

REALZEUS September 1, 2010 7:05 PM

Not to mention that the 430 bests all 911 apart from GT3s and GT2s but then again there is the Scuderia version to take care of them! ;)

gaco1 September 2, 2010 9:12 PM

@ REALZEUS: well said. In addition to offering outstanding performance, Ferraris offer a certain 'je ne sais quoi' which no other car manufacturer, including Porsche, can match.  

Locknload66 September 2, 2010 9:51 PM

Ferrari ownership will always be a wealthy mans folly.

All the Ferrari's that you would want to own are a sick joke in the maintenence bill Dept, they dont make sense at all to own and run and as a daily user option, your having a laugh surely?

Issues with:

poor reliability

extortionate parts

suspect build quality on the cheaper, older less desirable models

flimsy interiors

dodgy electrics....fiat remember!!

You buy an old ferrari in the same manner that you get yourself a young, slim blonde female companion to go with your receding hairline, its pure and simply a flight of fancy and sooner of later you will get the message that you have been a complete spoon and its time to move on and probably buy something German..

I have been active in the motor trade for nearly 30 years and the amount of wealthy car dealers I have known that have chosen to own and drive a Ferrari on a daily basis you could count on one finger.

Maybe you would say that they lack class and sophistication, that they have a swinging brick instead of a heart, but I prefer to think that they understand how hard a prancing horse can kick you in the butt.

Locknload66 September 2, 2010 9:56 PM

Not all Ferrari's offer outstanding performance!!

Not all Ferrari's offer outstanding style!!

I personally would rather have a German classic than an Italian one.

robinitaly September 3, 2010 2:45 PM

I've had my F355 for just over 8 years and can safely say it's one of the most reliable cars I've ever owned (from more than 60 cars, exotica to mundane). It's now coming up to 15 years old and am now starting to see some failiures of parts through age, and yes, some of the prices make you go weak at the knees e.g. rear wheel bearing £300+Vat and two new rear dampers at £900+VAT each, that's just for the parts, labour extra!! But... I've toured Europe in it several times, I track it regularly, been to the 'ring, been through 6 sets of rear tyres and 3 sets of fronts i.e. it's been driven hard. It's simply not true that Ferraris are unreliable "just" because they are Italian. Oh, and by the way, the electrics have been rock solid.

I had a 360 for a while too and that too was reliable.

Probably my most unreliable car was an E-Class Merc, bought brand new for £50k. I sold it within a year cos I was sick of it breaking down or not starting.

Peter Cavellini September 3, 2010 6:58 PM

Buzzz!Buzz!back again, so, as Mr Ruppert has just said are Ferrari's really able to be called used?,these collections of exotic materials aren't really driven far enough or hard enough,as is often said they come out the factory gate , onto a transporter and deposited in a private toy cabinet and rarely see the light of day again, that's a used car too!!, having read a book or two on said car company Ferrari lost it's mojo about thirty years ago pandering to the idle rich who got bored and bought the rich equivelant of a Ford Focus!, we all buy things because it's deemed the latest, the best when it really just isn't,Ferrari trade today on and old reputation, a reputation which until the 458 Italia turned up was going in reverse, so with any car, not just a Ferrari your buying into an image, pure and simple, so is it a good used car?, no, not really, or should i say, it depends on you!, Buzzz!!, BUZZZ!!, there's my train, bon nuit!!

gaco1 September 3, 2010 7:59 PM

LOL Lockandload66 reads like one who has a fat German chip on his shoulder. Maybe its because he can't afford the Ferrari ownership, who knows, but  I have owned a BMW 5 series that developed electrical problems only after 3 years- I put up with it mind. I have come across several who have owned/own Ferraris, from the 308 to the F430, and although the older 308 cars commonly suffer from reliability issues, the more recent ones from 328 onwards appear to have been robust, with only a few 355's causing major headaches. Looking to get a car for between 35-40k, and I have to say I'd much rather go for a 328 (or a 355) than a Boxter or a pre owned 911 and it has very little to do with the image (I can imagine many would think how silly I look in a 328). Rather, its to do with the hairs on my back, I want them to stand on end when i take the car out for a spin in the country side, wind in my hair, hearing that high pitch V8 echo off the trees and walls and that click each time I change gear- feel the car respond  and react to each input. That's what drivings about - not the daily grind (I say this because I live in London) and I cannot imagine any other car that achieves this in the same way a Ferrari does, and if i am to pay a premium for it's ownership then so be it, because it's worth it. I would hope that anyone who has a modicum of passion for motorcars would agree.

Now excuse me, I am off to look at the classifieds.      

MarkusMorelli September 4, 2010 10:21 AM

I will ad my part to these comments because I happen to be in close relations with a few Ferrari enthusiasts. Some facts (if you believe me of course) are that a Ferrari is not meant to be an everyday car - it can be nowadays but it is not meant to be. In Italy you can run a Ferrari (355, 360) for cca. 12k € per year. Of course you go to specialist garages and I know one guy who is a genius regarding Ferrari servicing. Apart from that I dare say it every Ferrari is an occasion to drive (even the now despised Mondial). You really do not need a 458. A 355 is sublime but the 360CS is the best for a car enthusiast. I know a garage owner who has got 20(!) of them (he has got many more Ferraris plus an F40 which he races regularly - so no garage queen). Get a 360CS with a tubi exhaust and you have reached the peak (apart from the F40, F50 of course).

Locknload66 September 5, 2010 12:13 AM

(Gaco1..)

Lol@...Fat German chip....I have sexy slim hips like that Shakira bird and they dont lie...TUT!!, .......When I sell my 5yr old carrera 2 next month I will have a look at the Ferrari's for sale at about 70-80k, then give my head a shake and buy another German probably, I might have stretched to a V10 R8 if i didnt have to pay a premium on list.

I dont have a bottomless pit of money, thats why I spend wisely...not many cars on the road are engineered better than Ze germans my friend.

You need to start thinking out of the Box(STER).

robinitaly September 5, 2010 7:52 PM

Oh dear, this page has taken a turn for the worse. I don't particularly want to get into the bickering, but there do seem to be few frustrated people here!!

If you can't afford (or dont want to spend) enough to run a Ferrari that's fine, it's a free country but please don't try to convince me that I am wrong to run a Ferrari because, as I say it's a free country.

Anyway, if you really want to see money vanish, get a boat. My 2 years of boat ownership on Como made running my Ferraris pale into insignificance, glad to have got out of that.

Per the previous post, I'm tempted by an R8 too. Am I allowed to buy one since I'm a Ferrari owner too?

blktoy September 5, 2010 10:38 PM

MX 5 !

Peter Cavellini September 6, 2010 2:28 PM

Mr, Morelli, some of us don't earn £12K a year!, but there are other BPM raisers out there which can have the same affect as one of Italy's finest, i ran my BPM raiser on £25 worth of petrol a week, using it everyday,no i didn't drive it like the reverant out on a Sunday jaunt, it did 25mpg(best was 34mpg over 220 miles), it had 2 tyres (rears unfortunately £250 a pop!), i kept for a year with no problems, managed to avoid a service(due to when i sold it not neglect), it started every morning first time the year round, it was never garaged either, now,you just can't do that with any supercar let alone a Ferrari, my car?, an 04' BMW M3.

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