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Jun 12 2009

Toyota's take on plug-in technology

Andrew Frankel
Very interesting chat yesterday with Tadashi Arashima, the President and CEO of Toyota Motor Europe at the launch of the much improved Prius.

The conversation concerned plug-in hybrids, the cars many including me have presumed to hold to the key to achieving medium-term emissions reductions, bridging the gap between current hybrids and high efficiency diesels and the fuel cell cars that may (or may not) spell the future of motoring.



The good news is the Prius plug-in is not far away at all – indeed 500 will have been leased by the end of this year with an unspecified but significant number coming to the UK. So far so good.

The bad news is that Arashima-san is not in a position to say when the car might be generally available on sale because ‘the cost of the technology is considerably greater than we first thought.’

The technology he is talking about are the lithium ion batteries (as already available in the vastly expensive Tesla roadster) the plug-in Prius uses.

And if the largest, canniest and, until recently, most profitable car company in the world with 30 years hybrid experience behind it can’t make the plug-in equation add up, it is fair to wonder who can. Arashima doesn’t doubt they’ll get there in the end, but the fact he cannot yet say when should be cause for concern.

As an interesting aside, he confirmed that when the plug-in Prius does arrive, its range on electric power alone will be in the region of 12 miles or about a third of what Chevrolet is claiming for its Volt plug-in.

Apparently research has shown Toyota that 70 per cent of customers have a requirement for only six miles-worth of electric power, while a 12 mile range will accommodate the needs of over 95 per cent.

At Toyota, adding extra cost and weight to provide an extended range that only a tiny proportion of customers will need is seen as counter-productive.

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doublesixv12 June 11, 2009 3:32 PM

12 mile range will accommodate the needs of over 95 per cent.

Yes, for maybe 90% of the time, but what about the not infrequent occasions whenyou need to go further. Hiring a car is a hasssle at best and not isignificantly costly. These guys need to be more innovative over the infrastructure if we are to accept plug ins as replacements for the internal combustion engine.

jackjflash June 11, 2009 3:55 PM

Yes of course, if Toyota can’t do it what chance does GM stand? Initially cars like the Volt will be expensive to the early adopter, which goes without saying, what new technology doesn’t come at a premium? A 12 mile range is laughable and pointless, it comes off as an afterthought or marketing tool…look we have a plug too. The Volt leapfrogged over their current tech which is basically still a petrol engine with electric assist. The Voltec platform uses no petrol or diesel for 40 miles and the odd day you have to travel beyond that range you would still get excellent fuel economy.

RacingPuma June 11, 2009 4:00 PM

@doublesixv12

"12 mile range will accommodate the needs of over 95 per cent.

Yes, for maybe 90% of the time, but what about the not infrequent occasions whenyou need to go further"

Answer - the (very clean, efficient Atkinson cyle)  petrol engine cuts in to power the car AND recharge the batteries.

When the batteries have sufficient charge and speed & driver input (accelerator pedal position) permit, it will revert to electric power.

Remember, we are talking about plug-in hybrids here, not electric only cars.

March1 June 11, 2009 4:26 PM

The Volt, with its 40 mile range, is not on sale yet...

artill June 11, 2009 4:28 PM

I am sure Toyota have this right. The cost is in the batteries, so the fewer the lower the cost of the vehicle, but the more petrol it will use on those longer journeys. Perhaps they will sell a range, Current hybrid, this plug in, and a 'super plug in' for those who require a greater electric only range. Who knows, maybe in the future the size of your battery pack will be as important to people as the size of the engine is so often now. (or having the right german badge!)

Timberwolf June 11, 2009 5:57 PM

I reckon 12 miles is about right, actually.

Thinking about this - what are the worst journeys for getting decent mileage out of a petrol engine?  Short commutes in heavy traffic, popping to the shop, or a school run.

In other words, anything comfortably under 12 miles as a round trip.

Yes the ICE will need to cut in eventually, but the chances are that'll be a longer trip on which it has a decent chance to get warm rather than sit there running rich at idle.

Wyndham June 12, 2009 12:03 PM

If Toyota told you to jump off a cliff would you? No you would not.  There is no room in this world for "they have thirty years experience and thus must be right" look at what is happening in the car market.

Toyota got it wrong with the Pruis; with the research here, the customer survey they said 12 miles; if someone said to me the Chevy does 400 miles and the Prius does 3 times more miles and they are the same price; guess which one I am picking and it ain't the Toyota.

Toyota have got it wrong; time will show this; they got it way wrong and they got complacant; 12 miles is not enough, Chevy Volt is right and Toyota got it wrong; I will place bets with my own money on it; they failing to read the market and failing to convert; the world is changing again and Toyota are stuffed as has been recently proved - Toyota is dead man walking.

Wyndham June 12, 2009 12:06 PM

Chevy Volt or Chevy Volt stylie is the way to go; Prius is already dead against conventional cars! against the Chevy Volt they are lost - what will be more interesting is if Japan puts up trade barriers to stop the wave of Chevy Volts and Volt derivertives (Saab I am sure will have one, as wil Opel/Vauxhall, as will others etc); now that will be interesting; Toyota did the wrong tech. and the wrong car build etc - as said Toyota is dead man walking.

Uncle Mellow June 12, 2009 12:47 PM

Forced to choose between a Toyota hybrid and a GM hybrid , I would choose Toyota every time . Toyota getting it wrong ? Unlikely.

jackjflash June 12, 2009 3:49 PM

So you are making a choice based on brand loyalty instead of logic or some pragmatic research? What if Toyota requires you wear a bright pink jumpsuit to properly operate their hybrids; I hope you look good in pink. I’m sure that GM thought they would never get it wrong either.

Uncle Mellow June 13, 2009 12:24 AM

Nope , I have no brand loyalty to Toyota - never owned one , though I quite liked the Celica before last. From an engineering point of view , Toyota know what they are doing. I have no faith in the engineering capabilities of GM. This is all academic since I would never buy a hybrid - plug in or otherwise - as long as I don't have to live in a city.

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