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Oct 15 2007

How fast is your car around Autocar's test tracks?

Matt Prior

So, we’ve had the new-look Autocar and its new-format road test for a while now. Which means we’re accumulating a fairly comprehensive list of lap times set around MIRA’s dry and wet handling circuits.

You can see ‘em below, including (for the dry handling circuit), the conditions in which they were set. They’re not all there just yet; I’ll upload the full, comprehensive list shortly (read: when we’ve a workie who’s got a couple of hours to browse through some back issues) and then keep it updated so it’s always available to see here.

While water will inevitably slow a car, different track temperatures isn’t a great issue: on road tyres, it doesn’t matter if the ambient/track temperature is 5 degrees or 20 degrees, you can reach – and nearly always exceed – the operating temperature of a road tyre anyway, so we’ve found that laps in the same car are pretty consistent regardless of temperature. On racing tyres it would be a different matter, natch.

No great surprises above, I suppose – although I’m still suspicious about how a 207 GTi 175 went round in 1m20.35sec.

Dry lap times:

Car                                Time                Conditions

Porsche 997 GT3           1.12.5          Dry, cloudy, 8 deg

Ferrari 599GTB              1.12.68        Dry, sunny, 18 deg

Lotus 2-Eleven             1.12.7    Greasy, showers, 15 deg

Porsche 997 Turbo        1.14.45       Dry, cloudy, 23 deg

Lamborghini LP640        1.14.7        Dry, cloudy 18 deg

BMW M5                        1.16.15       Dry, cloudy, 23 deg

Porsche 911 Carrera S    1.16.8       Dry, cloudy, 9 deg

Audi RS4                        1.16.9      Greasy, bright, 3 deg

Aston V8 Vantage Cpe   1.18.0       Dry, cloudy, 9 deg

Vauxhall VXR8                1.18.8        Dry, clear, 22 deg

Aston V8 Vantage Rstr  1.18.96       Dry, clear, 18 deg

Peugeot 207 GTi 175      1.20.35      Dry, clear, 18 deg

Lotus Elise 111R            1.20.64      Dry, cloudy, 10 deg

Vauxhall Astra VXR        1.21.2    Greasy, o/cast, 5 deg

Ford Focus ST                1.23.4    Greasy, o/cast, 5 deg

VW Golf GTi                   1.23.6    Greasy, o/cast, 5 deg

Fiat Bravo 1.4 Tjet        1.24.66  Damp, o/cast, 15 deg

Volvo V70 D5                 1.25.1       Dry, sunny, 22 deg

BMW X5 3.0d                 1.26.09      Dry, clear, 19 deg

Renault Twingo 1.2       1.27.3       Dry, sunny, 20 deg

Alfa Spider 2.2 JTS        1.27.9        Dry, clear, 19 deg

Ford Mondeo 2.0 TDCi   1.29.5          Wet, 18 deg

Fiat 500 1.4 Lounge       1.29.7     Dry, cloudy, 16 deg

Hyundai i30                   1.32.63     Very wet, 20 deg

 

Wet Lap Times:

We don’t list conditions for wet laps because it’s so consistent. MIRA’s very good wet handling circuit gets doused evenly, though it takes a while to get evenly damp:

Car                                Time

Audi RS4                        1.06.4

Ford Focus ST                1.07.3

VW Golf GTi                   1.07.5

Vauxhall Astra VXR        1.07.6

Lotus Elise 111R            1.08.25

Peugeot 207 GTi 175     1.08.3

BMW M5                        1.08.35

Aston V8 Vantage Cpe  1.08.78

BMW X5 3.0d                 1.09.19

Porsche 911 Carrera S    1.09.2

Ferrari 599GTB               1.09.87

Vauxhall VXR8               1.09.9

Ford Mondeo 2.oTDCi   1.09.9

Aston V8 Vantage Rstr 1.10.02

Fiat Bravo 1.4 Tjet       1.10.65

Volvo V70 D5                1.11.2

Renault Twingo 1.2      1.11.3

Lotus 2-Eleven             1.11.5

Porsche 911 Turbo       1.11.54

Fiat 500 1.4 Lounge      1.12.5

Hyundai I30                  1.14.15

Lamborghini LP640       1.16.5

Porsche 911 GT3           1.19.1

Alfa Spider 2.2 JTS       1.19.6

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About Matt Prior

Has an automotive engineering degree and a Triumph TR2; once raced go karts, now keeps chickens. Adores tiny cars and big motorbikes. Is currently running the road test desk.

Comments

Kee Law October 29, 2007 8:44 PM

Wouldn't driver skill be a factor?  Are the laps done by different driver's, or do you keep a "stig" like tame racing driver for these occasions?

trackdemon November 2, 2007 9:57 AM

Blimey, those wet times are a bit strange.... not too suprised to see an RS4 up the top of the table (prodigious grip, 4wd, good power) but I find it hard to believe that the informal riegning champion of all weather ground coverage (ie the 911 Turbo) is dwindling at the back of the ranks.... behind an X5 diesel & Renault Twingo for gods sake!!!??

Whats going on Matt? We need to know.....

Matt Prior November 3, 2007 5:43 PM

We've had to be careful about driver skill, because if you just drive as fast as possible, you get big differences - even between the same driver on different days. The trick is to make the times consistent and repeatable.

Manufacturers and tyre testers use the same principles. You seek to find a consistently fast-ish level that all testers can operate at: regardless of whether we're totally on it, or whether we've had a bit of a rubbish night's sleep and a terrible journey to MIRA.

So that's what we do -- operate at about 80 percent, and on this principle we've found that different testers produce extremely similar times. Usually a car is tested by more than one driver anyway, which helps the consistency too. And as a control we'll go back and re-test a car some time after the original road test to make sure we're not subconciously getting quicker.

The eighty-percent rule's usually enough to push a normal road car's tyres and brakes to the brink of overheating after five laps or thereabouts, which is where we want it - approaching the limit of the car, and with a  bit of a safety cushion which means we're less likely to crash...

Which brings me to the 911 Turbo. A surprisingly disappointing time on first look, I'll admit. But the wet track gets consistently proper wet, and firmer-sprung 911s on focussed tyres have a bit of a problem with standing water. On merely crappy roads, bad surfaces, the odd puddle, they're fine, but the wet circuit's sprinklers absolutely soak the Tarmac.

Rawer 911s aquaplane quite early on the straight, and are none too reassuring under braking because the engine is out the back, which makes them more unstable beyond the limit too, now matter how good it is for traction. Sure, out of short low-speed corners, a 911 Turbo accelerates as quickly as anything, but the wet-circuit has lots of long, constant-radius bends with quick direction changes which, as they should, reward stability and controllability more than traction. Which is why the softer-sprung, narrower-tyred Carrera S is faster than the Turbo. And much, much faster than the GT3.

Casanova November 15, 2007 12:37 AM

How fast is my car around your test track?  Well, I drive a 205 XS like Chris Harris does {when he's slumming it!).  Could you get him to give that a spin round there?  Would be interesting to see how that (and other older cars) compares with the shiny new machinery.

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